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Nov. 29, 2019, 5:43 p.m.
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That must be fake, it doesn’t say “African American” or what his SSN is AT ALL. 

Or maybe your SSN and race aren’t actually on American birth certificates and that’s just a bunch of birther bullshit.

Nov. 30, 2019, 12:52 a.m.
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https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/27/john-kiriakou-the-press-should-not-be-shielding-fbi-malfeasance/

Dec. 2, 2019, 9:41 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

That must be fake, it doesn’t say “African American” or what his SSN is AT ALL.

Or maybe your SSN and race aren’t actually on American birth certificates and that’s just a bunch of birther bullshit.

Oh it must be because CAN an "african" and someone born in Kenya hold office of the President (of the US)?

edit: and ya, I read that wrong in the early morning - trust me, that was pre-coffee early post.


 Last edited by: aShogunNamedMarcus on Dec. 2, 2019, 3:22 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Dec. 2, 2019, 12:12 p.m.
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dude, you making yourself moot

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/02/ukraine-the-new-cold-war-and-the-politics-of-impeachment/

.......despite the Democrats very effective marketing campaigns of Russia! and Trump Goddammit, Trump!, the world still seems remarkably like it was in 2016. Three years of increasingly shrill assertions haven’t made the establishment Democrats one iota more attractive. I can’t imagine that Barack Obama saying that he is going to take Bernie Sanders out has had an effect other than to make people want to start lighting shit on fire. I’m not suggesting that people do this. But that is the feeling.

The establishment Democrats are determined to have it their way. Screw democracy, screw the will of the people, screw the wellbeing of the people, screw acting on the people’s behalf, they’re going to elect themselves a billionaire. And, they’d be fine with a right-wing rebellion— rich people love fascism. We’re on our own. Work for Bernie. Vote for Bernie. Thanks for the political clarification Obama!


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Dec. 2, 2019, 3:22 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

dude, you making yourself moot

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/02/ukraine-the-new-cold-war-and-the-politics-of-impeachment/

.......despite the Democrats very effective marketing campaigns of Russia! and Trump Goddammit, Trump!, the world still seems remarkably like it was in 2016. Three years of increasingly shrill assertions haven’t made the establishment Democrats one iota more attractive. I can’t imagine that Barack Obama saying that he is going to take Bernie Sanders out has had an effect other than to make people want to start lighting shit on fire. I’m not suggesting that people do this. But that is the feeling.

The establishment Democrats are determined to have it their way. Screw democracy, screw the will of the people, screw the wellbeing of the people, screw acting on the people’s behalf, they’re going to elect themselves a billionaire. And, they’d be fine with a right-wing rebellion— rich people love fascism. We’re on our own. Work for Bernie. Vote for Bernie. Thanks for the political clarification Obama!

Oh dont be bringing up uranium and russia 'round here. Thats also a moot point.

Dec. 2, 2019, 7:40 p.m.
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So how does the Clintons alleged corruption relate to Trump?

Dec. 2, 2019, 11:36 p.m.
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It's a people in glass houses thing. Read quote above.

Dec. 3, 2019, 7:10 a.m.
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That quote is ridiculous, as is the idea that the president shouldn’t be investigated because other politicians are corrupt too.

Dec. 3, 2019, 9:10 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

That quote is ridiculous, as is the idea that the president shouldn’t be investigated because other politicians are corrupt too.

That isn't what the essay or I am saying. Read whole thing.

Dec. 3, 2019, 9:31 a.m.
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It seems like he’s saying that since the American justice system and politicians are corrupt, they shouldn’t be investigating corruption. 

Please clarify if you think I’m mistaken. 

I disagree with many of his conclusions and characterizations of much of the factual information that I’m familiar with that he’s referring to. There are a bunch of links there that may shed some more light on his arguments validity.

Dec. 3, 2019, 12:04 p.m.
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He simply pointing out the hypocrisy of limiting scope of investigation to Ukraine which serves the purpose of entrenching new cold war from which so many members of congress make bank.

Dec. 3, 2019, 12:32 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

I don't have the time to fact check all the errors and omissions or investigate the inuendos that I don't understand.  BHO and GWB locked vault?  What's that.  Should I have to Google it?  

As for Ukraine, I do realize the scope.  They are a country torn between Russia and the West.  There are a lot of people there still loyal to Russia, and a lot of the same oligarchs controlling things so there is a lot of corruption and shenanigans.  What I also know is that it is almost entirely members of the GOP they seem to have political and business connections from Russia and the pro-Russia side of Ukraine.  From Manafort, to the lawyer that met with Don Jr, to the spy that was knee-deep in the NRA, to Trump Tower Moscow, to Gates, to Stone, to Flynn.  That is a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.

Well if I'm posting facts, you dont have to check them :P Just accept them like you expect "us" to accept how you see the world. No? Didnt think so.

You say Manafort, Gates, Flynn and others. Any one could easily reply with Comey, McCabe, Wray, Brennan, Clapper, Holder, Lynch, Strzok, Page, Schiff, Pelosi, Feinstein and her 20 year employed driver spy, Biden & Biden, 5eyes, Italy/Spain and your sides saviour, Obama. I could keep going if I actually looked up more names.

Dec. 3, 2019, 12:34 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

He simply pointing out the hypocrisy of limiting scope of investigation to Ukraine which serves the purpose of entrenching new cold war from which so many members of congress make bank.

They dont do hyprocrisy if its against the Dems. They preach cognitive dissonance like it doesnt apply to liberals.

Dec. 3, 2019, 11:58 p.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus urrrrrp urrrrp....

Posted by: chupacabra     eeeeeeep eeeeeeep......

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/23/yes-ukraine-interference-in-the-2016-presidential-election/#more-17045


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Dec. 4, 2019, 9:24 a.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

I don't have the time to fact check all the errors and omissions or investigate the inuendos that I don't understand.  BHO and GWB locked vault?  What's that.  Should I have to Google it?  

As for Ukraine, I do realize the scope.  They are a country torn between Russia and the West.  There are a lot of people there still loyal to Russia, and a lot of the same oligarchs controlling things so there is a lot of corruption and shenanigans.  What I also know is that it is almost entirely members of the GOP they seem to have political and business connections from Russia and the pro-Russia side of Ukraine.  From Manafort, to the lawyer that met with Don Jr, to the spy that was knee-deep in the NRA, to Trump Tower Moscow, to Gates, to Stone, to Flynn.  That is a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.

Well if I'm posting facts, you dont have to check them :P Just accept them like you expect "us" to accept how you see the world. No? Didnt think so.

You say Manafort, Gates, Flynn and others. Any one could easily reply with Comey, McCabe, Wray, Brennan, Clapper, Holder, Lynch, Strzok, Page, Schiff, Pelosi, Feinstein and her 20 year employed driver spy, Biden & Biden, 5eyes, Italy/Spain and your sides saviour, Obama. I could keep going if I actually looked up more names.

Except that the people I mentioned are in jail for their crimes.  You could easily mention Mickey Mouse, but a review of the facts would show there is no reasonable proof they have deals or vested interest with people close to the Kremlin.  They are also mostly Republicans.  They are also not working for the president.  I am sorry that you have retired your critical thinking skills, but those of us that still use them can see that this a group of people that are selling out the USA for their own personal gain. 

If you have a real case showing that Schiff or Pelosi (or other people in power) are doing the same, lay it out.  The impeachment report and the Mueller report made a clear case against Trump and the GOP.  Facts vs Fiction.

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