Trump.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Chup... whatever happened to this ...?

The script that they run can scrub any and all information that would be on that server at that time which is why they don't need the PC itself.  They would just run the same script again, but in a different location and since computers lose data when you unplug them it is better to do it in situ.  This has been done for years.  I actually know first hand because we had a kid working in our warehouse that ended up under investigation (he turned out to be innocent) and the RCMP showed up at our office randomly and went straight to his PC.  After about 20 minutes they went to leave and I asked if they were taking the PC and they told me they had everything off it already and held up what looked like a portable hard drive.  

I have no idea if the Russians were ever caught tampering with votes.  I believe the voter rolls appear to have been tampered with, but I can't remember if there was direct evidence of who was behind it.  From what I read those electronic voting machines are very insecure though, so I am sure there are a lot of hackers that could tamper with them.  It should be paper ballots until they know they can secure them, but the states run their own systems.

... when you said you took college computing science.. was that the MS Office Suite by chance?

LOL.  No, I am old enough that the Office Suite wasn't around yet when I started.  It was coding in a number of different languages like variations of C and then later in Visual Basic, but I haven't done any coding in a while, although I do use Office daily, mainly Excel.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: Mic

Yeah...there was some detail back then, I remember...still, you trying to school me on "nationalism" and the nsdap is... kind of...funny. 

and btw, nationalism is in itself a pretty evil and bad idea, since the ultimate result/effect of nationalism as a governing idea of a state in the end is violence, segregation and, poignantly, a system similar to the holocaust.

^^^^  This Shogun.  It will by its very nature separate people into those that are all for their proposed vision of the nation, and those that are deemed to be against that vision.  It creates a legitimate framework for zealots to rally behind and once the fear is stoked that any dissent is an existential threat to that mission any and all violent acts become justified.

I'm pretty sure we'll see liberal zealots displaying the exact actions you fear from the conservative side.

That is what happens when you pit people against each other, so ya, probably.  People tend to fight back.  The problem is that currently it is the ones on the right that have the White House behind them and they know it because Trump tells them at the rallies.  

So far though the violence on the right eclipses anything we have seen on the left because they are being cheered on.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: Mic

Yeah...there was some detail back then, I remember...still, you trying to school me on "nationalism" and the nsdap is... kind of...funny. 

and btw, nationalism is in itself a pretty evil and bad idea, since the ultimate result/effect of nationalism as a governing idea of a state in the end is violence, segregation and, poignantly, a system similar to the holocaust.

I've never considered nationalism to be a governing style (because we've never had one in Canada post WW1 but I also havent researched any of that). More of a direction. I'm not touching your holocaust similie either other than to say I think any government style can end up violent and segregated.

Whats interesting is the people end up being the violent and segregated but is it governments fault?

I think what you fail to recognize is that nationalism is a tool that is used to pit people against each other and have supporters accept authoritarian rule.  It has been done over and over again.  It allows rulers to define what the country really is, tell their followers that they are the true patriots and ridding the country of the enemy within who are hellbent on destroying their country is imperative.  The GOP has been riding this train for years, but Trump has removed the window dressing.  The threats are naked now and the violent ring wing militia groups are on a sharp rise.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsr61e1sSeY

Did you notice in Lewandowski's interview that when they asked him about the safe he kept his notes in he said it was very big and full of guns?  That wasn't an accident.  They are sending a clear message that this is their country now to do as they please and if you try and stop them they have lots of guns.  I am not sure how you can't see this.

meh. No one can out-violence the state.

PBS? That were a false-flag production anyways.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/09/20/american-psychopathy/

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

#1 - I've read nothing to the contrary. Would you meet half way and say the Dems supported the movement (a lot) more than the Republicans?

#2 - you're sarcasm contradicted yourself. Triple entendre's are no ones speciality other than the poster.

#3 - I only mentioned Venezuela. You mean just North American "western" socialism or if we keep splitting hairs it'll end up with us getting into narco failed states with the "blessing" of US foreign policy and how it wasnt the ideals of socialisms fault.

1. for sure the Dems supported the KKK at one point, but that was over 100 f'in years ago and not relevant to today's politics
2.  not triple, just one level of sarcasm that you should not have missed
3.  wrong, you mentioned soviet russia and nazi germany in your meme. i meant western in it's literal political sense, NA, Western Europe

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Chup... whatever happened to this ...?

The script that they run can scrub any and all information that would be on that server at that time which is why they don't need the PC itself.  They would just run the same script again, but in a different location and since computers lose data when you unplug them it is better to do it in situ.  This has been done for years.  I actually know first hand because we had a kid working in our warehouse that ended up under investigation (he turned out to be innocent) and the RCMP showed up at our office randomly and went straight to his PC.  After about 20 minutes they went to leave and I asked if they were taking the PC and they told me they had everything off it already and held up what looked like a portable hard drive.  

I have no idea if the Russians were ever caught tampering with votes.  I believe the voter rolls appear to have been tampered with, but I can't remember if there was direct evidence of who was behind it.  From what I read those electronic voting machines are very insecure though, so I am sure there are a lot of hackers that could tamper with them.  It should be paper ballots until they know they can secure them, but the states run their own systems.

... when you said you took college computing science.. was that the MS Office Suite by chance?

LOL.  No, I am old enough that the Office Suite wasn't around yet when I started.  It was coding in a number of different languages like variations of C and then later in Visual Basic, but I haven't done any coding in a while, although I do use Office daily, mainly Excel.

Well as a former CCNA (cisco), lets agree to disagree on this IT/Hack part.

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: Mic

Yeah...there was some detail back then, I remember...still, you trying to school me on "nationalism" and the nsdap is... kind of...funny. 

and btw, nationalism is in itself a pretty evil and bad idea, since the ultimate result/effect of nationalism as a governing idea of a state in the end is violence, segregation and, poignantly, a system similar to the holocaust.

I've never considered nationalism to be a governing style (because we've never had one in Canada post WW1 but I also havent researched any of that). More of a direction. I'm not touching your holocaust similie either other than to say I think any government style can end up violent and segregated.

Whats interesting is the people end up being the violent and segregated but is it governments fault?

I think what you fail to recognize is that nationalism is a tool that is used to pit people against each other and have supporters accept authoritarian rule.  It has been done over and over again.  It allows rulers to define what the country really is, tell their followers that they are the true patriots and ridding the country of the enemy within who are hellbent on destroying their country is imperative.  The GOP has been riding this train for years, but Trump has removed the window dressing.  The threats are naked now and the violent ring wing militia groups are on a sharp rise.   

Did you notice in Lewandowski's interview that when they asked him about the safe he kept his notes in he said it was very big and full of guns?  That wasn't an accident.  They are sending a clear message that this is their country now to do as they please and if you try and stop them they have lots of guns.  I am not sure how you can't see this.

It's not just a tool. I could be wrong but it's putting a Country and its citizens first. Sure, any leader could pit people against each other. Both Trudeau and Trump have done that easily just by sticking to their plan and based on individuals own thoughts or reactions. For example, I'm completely against Trudeau's immigration minister's three year plan- I think if we all looked at any Canadian city's homeless population we'd see it's comprised of mainly two demographics: aboriginals and caucasians. But that doesnt mean I'm a racist homophobe because I'm against one liberal policy. Just means I have different priorities.

Dont know Lewandowski. We do know that the US has the most amount of weapons per capita - I'm surprised his are locked in a safe. That's how I dont know that part. Have you stopped to consider Trump may be playing his 2nd amendant base? He throws everyone else under the bus.

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

#1 - I've read nothing to the contrary. Would you meet half way and say the Dems supported the movement (a lot) more than the Republicans?

#2 - you're sarcasm contradicted yourself. Triple entendre's are no ones speciality other than the poster.

#3 - I only mentioned Venezuela. You mean just North American "western" socialism or if we keep splitting hairs it'll end up with us getting into narco failed states with the "blessing" of US foreign policy and how it wasnt the ideals of socialisms fault.

1. for sure the Dems supported the KKK at one point, but that was over 100 f'in years ago and not relevant to today's politics
2.  not triple, just one level of sarcasm that you should not have missed
3.  wrong, you mentioned soviet russia and nazi germany in your meme. i meant western in it's literal political sense, NA, Western Europe

1. it was a tit for tat with Chup before he painted me into the white supramacist category. Which I wont stand for.

2. a sarcastic double entendre on tele type.. my apologies.

3. no the meme mentioned it. I dont see any (real) socialism in NA yet but its coming. But if you look at germany and a few smaller EU towns, they cant afford the social programs for the refugee's. Sorry, migrants.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

3. no the meme mentioned it. I dont see any (real) socialism in NA yet but its coming. But if you look at germany and a few smaller EU towns, they cant afford the social programs for the refugee's. Sorry, migrants.

you posted the meme - so your words/thoughts

it's stuff like this that makes it often difficult to debate stuff with you. you are far too apt to try and twist or misdirect your own posts when you get called on them.

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

3. no the meme mentioned it. I dont see any (real) socialism in NA yet but its coming. But if you look at germany and a few smaller EU towns, they cant afford the social programs for the refugee's. Sorry, migrants.

you posted the meme - so your words/thoughts

it's stuff like this that makes it often difficult to debate stuff with you. you are far too apt to try and twist or misdirect your own posts when you get called on them.

Which is a bummer.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: Mic

Yeah...there was some detail back then, I remember...still, you trying to school me on "nationalism" and the nsdap is... kind of...funny. 

and btw, nationalism is in itself a pretty evil and bad idea, since the ultimate result/effect of nationalism as a governing idea of a state in the end is violence, segregation and, poignantly, a system similar to the holocaust.

I've never considered nationalism to be a governing style (because we've never had one in Canada post WW1 but I also havent researched any of that). More of a direction. I'm not touching your holocaust similie either other than to say I think any government style can end up violent and segregated.

Whats interesting is the people end up being the violent and segregated but is it governments fault?

I think what you fail to recognize is that nationalism is a tool that is used to pit people against each other and have supporters accept authoritarian rule.  It has been done over and over again.  It allows rulers to define what the country really is, tell their followers that they are the true patriots and ridding the country of the enemy within who are hellbent on destroying their country is imperative.  The GOP has been riding this train for years, but Trump has removed the window dressing.  The threats are naked now and the violent ring wing militia groups are on a sharp rise.   

Did you notice in Lewandowski's interview that when they asked him about the safe he kept his notes in he said it was very big and full of guns?  That wasn't an accident.  They are sending a clear message that this is their country now to do as they please and if you try and stop them they have lots of guns.  I am not sure how you can't see this.

It's not just a tool. I could be wrong but it's putting a Country and its citizens first. Sure, any leader could pit people against each other. Both Trudeau and Trump have done that easily just by sticking to their plan and based on individuals own thoughts or reactions. For example, I'm completely against Trudeau's immigration minister's three year plan- I think if we all looked at any Canadian city's homeless population we'd see it's comprised of mainly two demographics: aboriginals and caucasians. But that doesnt mean I'm a racist homophobe because I'm against one liberal policy. Just means I have different priorities.

Dont know Lewandowski. We do know that the US has the most amount of weapons per capita - I'm surprised his are locked in a safe. That's how I dont know that part. Have you stopped to consider Trump may be playing his 2nd amendant base? He throws everyone else under the bus.

And I disliked Harper's policies, but he never threatened to jail his opponents and he didn't hold rallies were he lied about liberals to stir up animosity.  He was professional and civil, and lawful.  Trump is not a smart man, but he knows how to work a room.  He wants his supporters to believe that any move against him is the deep state silencing him with the help of the crooked media.  This is a classic authoritarian tightening grip on power.  They all do it, but you just happen to be falling for it this time.  Maybe this time, it's different??  NO, it's not.  He is a criminal and he doesn't care about the law, not because he is a good guy being framed by corrupt police, but because he is a criminal narcissist doing what he does naturally.  

So what are your thoughts on using aid funding to pressure Ukraine into investigating Biden's son?  I mean, even if this investigation had merit, using aid to pressure them seems pretty over the top considering the alleged crime, which I am still unsure of.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/23/the-plan-to-trip-up-trump/

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: Mic

Yeah...there was some detail back then, I remember...still, you trying to school me on "nationalism" and the nsdap is... kind of...funny.

and btw, nationalism is in itself a pretty evil and bad idea, since the ultimate result/effect of nationalism as a governing idea of a state in the end is violence, segregation and, poignantly, a system similar to the holocaust.

I've never considered nationalism to be a governing style (because we've never had one in Canada post WW1 but I also havent researched any of that). More of a direction. I'm not touching your holocaust similie either other than to say I think any government style can end up violent and segregated.

Whats interesting is the people end up being the violent and segregated but is it governments fault?

I think what you fail to recognize is that nationalism is a tool that is used to pit people against each other and have supporters accept authoritarian rule. It has been done over and over again. It allows rulers to define what the country really is, tell their followers that they are the true patriots and ridding the country of the enemy within who are hellbent on destroying their country is imperative. The GOP has been riding this train for years, but Trump has removed the window dressing. The threats are naked now and the violent ring wing militia groups are on a sharp rise.

Did you notice in Lewandowski's interview that when they asked him about the safe he kept his notes in he said it was very big and full of guns? That wasn't an accident. They are sending a clear message that this is their country now to do as they please and if you try and stop them they have lots of guns. I am not sure how you can't see this.

It's not just a tool. I could be wrong but it's putting a Country and its citizens first. Sure, any leader could pit people against each other. Both Trudeau and Trump have done that easily just by sticking to their plan and based on individuals own thoughts or reactions. For example, I'm completely against Trudeau's immigration minister's three year plan- I think if we all looked at any Canadian city's homeless population we'd see it's comprised of mainly two demographics: aboriginals and caucasians. But that doesnt mean I'm a racist homophobe because I'm against one liberal policy. Just means I have different priorities.

Dont know Lewandowski. We do know that the US has the most amount of weapons per capita - I'm surprised his are locked in a safe. That's how I dont know that part. Have you stopped to consider Trump may be playing his 2nd amendant base? He throws everyone else under the bus.

But Nationalism as a political idea (which is historically speaking pretty young) puts its nation and its citizens first while all the other people, as well as other issues, are coming in second, and does so with a fervour that is unhealthy for a society that needs dialogue. Just take a second and look at what is happening in Brazil, for example, or Italy. 

Historically speaking, the 1 WW was a direct result of Nationalism, as was the second. It was merely about who deemed himself to have the bigger set of cojones. Reason and common sense usually goes out of the window.