Posted by: chupacabra
No, I am not interested in fact-checking what is clearly mostly bullshit sprinkled with ignorance. Did Russia give the Clinton Foundation 150 million? I don't know or care. It has nothing to do with 2020. 1/4 of that list is about the freaking Clintons but it is supposed to be things to think about as we head into 2020. If you can point to the "disturbing truth" in that list I will be happy to dig into it.
Of course not and I knew you weren't which is why I asked and is also what my point is about. There is the left/right ideological war going on and it seems there is little to no appetite to really find out where the truth lies. There's the pattern that the other side said it and it doesn't seem credible so we'll label it all as bullshit as that supports our narrative and helps us feel good about ourselves. Granted that seems to happen more on the right than the left, but neither side is immune to it it seems. That said there is a lot of innuendo on that list and of course it's set to play to a specific audience, but if there's going to be any hope of changing minds or creating some doubt in the people it's aimed at then simply dismissing it as BS is not going to do that. It's going to drive those people deeper into their belief that their view is the correct one.
I picked one item from the list and voila, found some truth to it. That's the danger, that there is just enough legitimacy there for the intended audience to buy into the whole message which is generally false. The truth is not a binary game but the discourse seems to be focused on I'm right and you're wrong and not caring too much about what the info/evidence actually tells us and then finding a path forward based on that. Sounds somewhat similar to the ebike debate. I say as this as a preamble to something I had already wanted to share that aired on CBC the other day. Tapestry is a show that often dives into the spritual, but also sociological, philosophical and psychological and areas and this episode took a look at youtubers on the left who have been changing opinions and even deradicalizing those on the right. What stuck with me the most was the thoughts of Caleb Cain, someone who was a fascist/white nationalist but is now progressive in his thinking.
"I don't expect everybody to sit and have conversations with people that have horrible beliefs, but I also don't want people to continue writing this off as it's just a bunch of monsters," he said.
"There's always a reason people become who they are, and we have to examine that."
"To pull people out of these beliefs you have to challenge them, but you also have to show them compassion and empathy and humanize them and realize that they are just people that have fallen into a pit that they can come out of," said Cain.
