Nationalism is wrong when it becomes more about nationality and not so much about a nation.
Last edited by: FLATCH on Sept. 12, 2019, 4:32 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Trump.
Posted by: FLATCH
Nationalism is wrong when it becomes more about nationality and not so much about a nation.
That's when it gets called jingoism.
Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus
Posted by: chupacabra
Sorry brother, but you are the low hanging fruit. What you posted is standard issue Facebook rage material for the uneducated masses in Trump country. It is all bullshit, all of it, but since your crowd cares little for research it doesn't matter. If you are comfortable blindly swallowing lies designed to further divide regular people and entrench nationalism that is your choice, but it leads to death and violence.
The only thing I'm going to ask is why is nationalism so bad?
It is like religion. Sometimes it isn't bad at all, it can even work to better people's lives, but once it is attached to a cult of personality that caters to only one group it becomes a threat to all that disagree. We are seeing white nationalism on the rise because of Trump. That is undeniable, so when you indulge in lies about liberals, like full-term abortions, it feeds into the idea that their entire way of life is under threat. In their minds. it goes from a disagreement in politics to a matter of survival and one worth suspending democracy and committing acts of violence to fight for. Just like a religious zealot, a nationalist zealot believes that ends always justify the means. On the lighter side of this, you have Mitch McConnell bending all the rules and subverting democracy to pack the courts with conservative judges and to protect Trump from the rule of law. On the dark side, you have white nationalist militias planning for war and lone wolf mass shooters going after Latinos.
Posted by: chupacabra
It is funny enough that conservatives would look to the star of Tool Time, convicted drug dealer and guy not known for saying anything intelligent for political wisdom, but it is even funnier that the actual Tim Allen that wrote that pile of nonsense is just a random shmoe with the same name.
Any chance you've gone through the Tim Allen list line by line to verify it's accuracy? It may not all be factually correct but there is enough disturbing truth there not to dismiss it outright.
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: chupacabra
It is funny enough that conservatives would look to the star of Tool Time, convicted drug dealer and guy not known for saying anything intelligent for political wisdom, but it is even funnier that the actual Tim Allen that wrote that pile of nonsense is just a random shmoe with the same name.
Any chance you've gone through the Tim Allen list line by line to verify it's accuracy? It may not all be factually correct but there is enough disturbing truth there not to dismiss it outright.
Just an opinion, but it seemed like cherrypicking to me.
Posted by: FLATCH
Just an opinion, but it seemed like cherrypicking to me.
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: chupacabra
It is funny enough that conservatives would look to the star of Tool Time, convicted drug dealer and guy not known for saying anything intelligent for political wisdom, but it is even funnier that the actual Tim Allen that wrote that pile of nonsense is just a random shmoe with the same name.
Any chance you've gone through the Tim Allen list line by line to verify it's accuracy? It may not all be factually correct but there is enough disturbing truth there not to dismiss it outright.
He's a liberal - so verification isnt up to him or his teams thang.
He just defers and goes ad hominem to prove his point(s).
Posted by: chupacabra
Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus
Posted by: chupacabra
Sorry brother, but you are the low hanging fruit. What you posted is standard issue Facebook rage material for the uneducated masses in Trump country. It is all bullshit, all of it, but since your crowd cares little for research it doesn't matter. If you are comfortable blindly swallowing lies designed to further divide regular people and entrench nationalism that is your choice, but it leads to death and violence.
The only thing I'm going to ask is why is nationalism so bad?
It is like religion. Sometimes it isn't bad at all, it can even work to better people's lives, but once it is attached to a cult of personality that caters to only one group it becomes a threat to all that disagree. We are seeing white nationalism on the rise because of Trump. That is undeniable, so when you indulge in lies about liberals, like full-term abortions, it feeds into the idea that their entire way of life is under threat. In their minds. it goes from a disagreement in politics to a matter of survival and one worth suspending democracy and committing acts of violence to fight for. Just like a religious zealot, a nationalist zealot believes that ends always justify the means. On the lighter side of this, you have Mitch McConnell bending all the rules and subverting democracy to pack the courts with conservative judges and to protect Trump from the rule of law. On the dark side, you have white nationalist militias planning for war and lone wolf mass shooters going after Latinos.
Not suprising you threw in the white nationalist pride part BUT, I'm not sure how you even equated those two (nationalism and religion) to make a coherent paragraph but realistically, I'll ask you the same question:
Why is nationalism all of sudden bad?
Posted by: FLATCH
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: chupacabra
It is funny enough that conservatives would look to the star of Tool Time, convicted drug dealer and guy not known for saying anything intelligent for political wisdom, but it is even funnier that the actual Tim Allen that wrote that pile of nonsense is just a random shmoe with the same name.
Any chance you've gone through the Tim Allen list line by line to verify it's accuracy? It may not all be factually correct but there is enough disturbing truth there not to dismiss it outright.
Just an opinion, but it seemed like cherrypicking to me.
And the media or anyone else doesnt cherry pick things about Trump?
You've grabbed at least one pussy in your life right?
Sure, but with Donald cherry season NEVER ends. And most of the fruit is already spoiled.
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: chupacabra
It is funny enough that conservatives would look to the star of Tool Time, convicted drug dealer and guy not known for saying anything intelligent for political wisdom, but it is even funnier that the actual Tim Allen that wrote that pile of nonsense is just a random shmoe with the same name.
Any chance you've gone through the Tim Allen list line by line to verify it's accuracy? It may not all be factually correct but there is enough disturbing truth there not to dismiss it outright.
Some whataboutisms, some one-sentence analysis of socialism, some misrepresentation of Democrats positions and some fear mongering.
Should go over well in Trump country but not much in the way of actual truth there.
What lines did you think were true and disturbing?
Seriously, you guys went around grabbing women’s crotches without their permission?
That’s fucking disgusting.
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: chupacabra
It is funny enough that conservatives would look to the star of Tool Time, convicted drug dealer and guy not known for saying anything intelligent for political wisdom, but it is even funnier that the actual Tim Allen that wrote that pile of nonsense is just a random shmoe with the same name.
Any chance you've gone through the Tim Allen list line by line to verify it's accuracy? It may not all be factually correct but there is enough disturbing truth there not to dismiss it outright.
No, I am not interested in fact-checking what is clearly mostly bullshit sprinkled with ignorance. Did Russia give the Clinton Foundation 150 million? I don't know or care. It has nothing to do with 2020. 1/4 of that list is about the freaking Clintons but it is supposed to be things to think about as we head into 2020. If you can point to the "disturbing truth" in that list I will be happy to dig into it.
Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus
Not suprising you threw in the white nationalist pride part BUT, I'm not sure how you even equated those two (nationalism and religion) to make a coherent paragraph but realistically, I'll ask you the same question:
Why is nationalism all of sudden bad?
All of a sudden? Umm. WW2?
Nationalism and religion have very strong similarities and I am not the first to point this out. Did you know that when North Koreans escape DPRK (where religion is banned), they flock to churches in South Korea? They are quite different when practiced personally (spiritual journey vs civic duty and patriotism) but as an organized movement, they merge pretty closely. Authoritarian leaders often ban religion not because they are atheists, but because they don't want the competition for the devotion of the people.
And ya I brought up white nationalism. They are 100% behind Trump and I bet they all shared your post on their FB pages.
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Posted by: tashi
Seriously, you guys went around grabbing women’s crotches without their permission?
That’s fucking disgusting.
I don't see where any of the previous posters said they did, so jumping to that conclusion is what's pretty disgusting.
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