Trump.

Posted by: chupacabra

I see you're already setting yourself up for massive disappointment come Nov 2020 then ;)

edit: I just clicked it and saw you fully support AOC? Seriously dude? Sure I'll take opposing sides of a debate for fun but supporting a full blown commie socialist who cheated her way into her seat and basically believe's in make believe is too much mang.. .toooooooo much.

You still cannot see that Trump is an ignorant criminal sociopath, so I would expect anything I say to be too much for you. If at some point you take the time to learn what communism actually is you might be on your way to some level of credibility, but for a Trump supporter to call AOC a cheater you are clearly not worth debating. Somewhere along the way, you went from a conspiracy theorist to a full-on Trump rally cheerleader, and to use language I know you will understand, that is just sad.

Well for one, you're wrong on my initial origins and stated destination. Go back to 2016 and I supported Trump because I found the other choice to be much more appalling. I've always asked you to provide some form of facts about Trump's shady ass background but you failed on those every time and at this point I assume you think that almost four years of a media shit storm constitutes those facts of what you fail to actually provide or bring to the table. As for gaining credibilitiy, a) did I ever have any and b) in my opinion, socialism leads to Communism. Just like unabbetted liberalism leads to Socialism. You can argue text book definitions with me all day of a utopian commune and do you think I'll really care? But I'd randomly say you probably inherently agree with 7 or 8 out of the 10 Pillars of Communism. You dont seem to have a problem with weaponized American media.

You and I can't debate this because you suffer from a form of Trump Derangement Syndrome, also known as almost ultra-liberalism. You think the ends justifies the means regarding any removal of Trump by any form and that right there is support for a coup and you think it's ok. We have different standards of reality at the moment because you think Trump actually cheated with Russia. When in reality and time should show this if it's coming to light already, that that simply was not the case and it was the Dem's with HRC with "foreign assistance".

Have you been following Brennan, Clapper and Comey play the blame game? And that's not even tinfoil as it's in the media.

I might sorta agree with 2 of the planks of Communism, but I am a centrist and a capitalist.  When I am not chatting with you about the criminal moron, I am selling stuff all day long.  

I can't really debate anything with you because you think all media is lies, so unless I go, interview people, myself or take photos what is the point?  Mueller made clear yesterday that the report lays out 10 cases of obstruction of justice and that Barr has been lying to us.  I really don't care what the news is saying, or what Trump and his sycophants are telling you, the truth will come out in the impeachment process and in court.  To me, that is all that matters.  All these criminal investigations into his action will come home to roost, and the ones you have your hope on will end just like the Benghazi investigation.  And you will still find a way to blame the deep state or some other nonsense that is convenient for you. 

As for the Real Fat Shady... Trump University, Paying off porn stars, getting his lawyer to lie about those payments, his charity, his inaugural committee.  It's all there if you really wanted to look, and I am not going to lead a brainwashed horse to water.

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If we thought that crimes were committed during the previous election, just wait until the next one. You'll see Trump acting in fear that once he is not a sitting President that he is a sitting duck, and you'll see the whole "lock her up" platform turned right back at him. It might actually be a platform in itself - "elect me and I promise to dissect the Trump families crimes piece by piece". It will be bloodsport. Because he is sitting President feeling above the law, it will be a parade of crimes on the trail next election to get re-elected, to maintain his protections from prosecution - what a wicked circle he is in!

Imagine the fear that Trump feels right now - his being President is only a part of the reason he needs to win. The hunt is on and he knows it. Impeachment proceedings, in my mind, are better left for Term 2 if he gets reelected - those in US with a horse in this game are best to focus on him losing the election so that he loses all his protections - then they can also put much of that blame on the Republican Party.

Posted by: Ddean

Impeachment proceedings, in my mind, are better left for Term 2 if he gets reelected - 

No..... https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/nFhEbc

Posted by: chupacabra

I might sorta agree with 2 of the planks of Communism, but I am a centrist and a capitalist.  When I am not chatting with you about the criminal moron, I am selling stuff all day long.  

I can't really debate anything with you because you think all media is lies, so unless I go, interview people, myself or take photos what is the point?  Mueller made clear yesterday that the report lays out 10 cases of obstruction of justice and that Barr has been lying to us.  I really don't care what the news is saying, or what Trump and his sycophants are telling you, the truth will come out in the impeachment process and in court.  To me, that is all that matters.  All these criminal investigations into his action will come home to roost, and the ones you have your hope on will end just like the Benghazi investigation.  And you will still find a way to blame the deep state or some other nonsense that is convenient for you. 

As for the Real Fat Shady... Trump University, Paying off porn stars, getting his lawyer to lie about those payments, his charity, his inaugural committee.  It's all there if you really wanted to look, and I am not going to lead a brainwashed horse to water.

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I could point to Muellers (and everyone else's) previous role(s) but you've ignored them so far but reallistically, his job was solely to investigate and from what I've read or remember, he cant even recommend prosecution. Barr's job does the prosecution and it wouldnt be the first time this decade that an AG didnt prosecute when obvious crimes were committed (fast n furious, weaponized IRS). And remember, Barr worked with GWB so he's previous swamp/establishment. Perhaps Trump's a magnetic drain plug and it's all going to implode if/when he goes down.

I'll say it like this: you seem to know so much about how I think or even who I am that I wonder why you even reply to what I post. Unless it's worth treefiddy. Remember, I actually have no personal bias towards US politics other than it affects the world so I keep up to date. Perhaps you need to just accept that and maybe start asking questions that reflect it? Thats probably one reason why you think I have no "credibility" (on an internet bike forum no less).

Impeachment before 2020 will/should guarantee him a 2nd term (worked for Clinton right?). Lets just wait and see what the internet is calling the Barr bill. Then you or I may have something to lament.

Posted by: Ddean

If we thought that crimes were committed during the previous election, just wait until the next one. You'll see Trump acting in fear that once he is not a sitting President that he is a sitting duck, and you'll see the whole "lock her up" platform turned right back at him. It might actually be a platform in itself - "elect me and I promise to dissect the Trump families crimes piece by piece". It will be bloodsport. Because he is sitting President feeling above the law, it will be a parade of crimes on the trail next election to get re-elected, to maintain his protections from prosecution - what a wicked circle he is in!

Imagine the fear that Trump feels right now - his being President is only a part of the reason he needs to win. The hunt is on and he knows it. Impeachment proceedings, in my mind, are better left for Term 2 if he gets reelected - those in US with a horse in this game are best to focus on him losing the election so that he loses all his protections - then they can also put much of that blame on the Republican Party.

Suuuure.

You guys know that Obama, Brennan, Comey, Clapper and other 5 eyes countries all worked together and spied on Trump before, during and post 2016 election and he still won right? Is that why they're saying he cheated because no one else could've surmounted those odds and won? Ya if I'm sitting President and knew that let alone more, I'd be concerned. If I'm looking at people threatening everything I've worked, business and family members, I'd be concerned let alome alarmed. I'm looking at "American media' every day as a President, I'd call the FCC.

Look at Chup's post above - Chup said Mueller stated 10 cases of obstruction. No collusion. Did the Russians actually help? Can we move past that part yet and 2016 YET?

Ps: former Presidents and First Lady's get SS protection for life. You can and should look it up to see how many attemps on Trump's life have been unreported for good reason.

Im talking about protections from prosecution. Im aware that there are mental people out there, but I would hope that secret service protections would be not needed, even if in place. There is never any excuse for that type of action against anyone.

This is going to move from focused collusion investigation, into focused obstruction plus any other crimes that may have been committed. The best (and possibly the only) way to prevent that is to remain a sitting President since Mueller himself didn't want to proceed down a rabbit hole discussion when there was not a path out of it. Potential obstruction was referenced only but not determined because there was nothing to do about it anyways.

Posted by: Ddean

Im talking about protections from prosecution. Im aware that there are mental people out there, but I would hope that secret service protections would be not needed, even if in place. There is never any excuse for that type of action against anyone.

godwin

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

I could point to Muellers (and everyone else's) previous role(s) but you've ignored them so far but reallistically, his job was solely to investigate and from what I've read or remember, he cant even recommend prosecution. Barr's job does the prosecution...

Mueller brought multiple charges against multiple people and entities. 

As fast as prosecuting the President, neither Mueller nor Barr can do that because if department policy.

Posted by: switch

Mueller brought multiple charges against multiple people and entities. 

As fast as prosecuting the President, neither Mueller nor Barr can do that because if department policy.

You said "if" instead of "of" so your bad grammar completely invalidates your post. 

Sorry, better luck next time.

That's not grammar - that's spelling.   :-P

Posted by: switch

That's not grammar - that's spelling.   :-P

good to see you're paying attention. carry on.

Alright, 90 pages of circular “discussion”. 

Has anyone changed their minds about Trump?

Keep typing I guess.

Posted by: tashi

Alright, 90 pages of circular “discussion”. 

Has anyone changed their minds about Trump?

Keep typing I guess.

Nope, on the toilet right now taking a Trump.