Posted by: syncro
Posted by: chupacabra
This is why I don't like Chomsky. He is a very smart man but the reason people are up in arms about Russian interference is that we can draw a straight line to the election of Trump, the man who embodies corruption, and the election of Trump has made everything he just mentioned far worse. If America can't stop foreign interference, how the hell can they overturn Citizens United which could lead to electing politicians that might actually try to enact legislation to fight corruption in their election system? He is not saying anything we don't all know, but if Trump wins by another slim margin with the tailwind of foreign interference anyone that wants a better America loses another battle of this war that could have been won. With the GOP in charge, NOTHING he talks about will ever change, it will only get worse. It is not just because the Democrats are the better choice, which they are albeit far from perfect, it is because the voters that could care less about what Chomsky has to say support the GOP and will never hold their feet to the fire for democracy. At least the Dems have to answer to people that care about the future of democracy. Sorry Noam, a swing and a miss.
I tend to disagree with you here. Sure there may have been some Russian interference, but looking back I don't think it had a dramatic enough influence to change the outcome of the election. Many people were not overly keen on Clinton and she did more than enough to sink her own boat with her "basket of deplorables" comment. That the Dems couldn't put the right person in place to defeat Trump is pretty telling of the American psyche at that time. Sure it may be easy to see the connection between Trump and Russian influence, but don't overvalue the impact of that influence on the election.
To Chomsky's point, the back room dealings and influencing of special interest groups and corporate America is a far greater concern and more damaging to the American public than what Russia came up with. Those interests are a big part of what's keeping the American people dumbed down with an education system that caters to those that have money. At the end of the day the American people are their own worst enemy and out of the people that vote there are more who are solely interested in voting for their team or simply for someone they like than who are interested in issues that affect the American people.
To wit it's also more or less the same here in Canada and that will prove evident in the coming election, particularly in provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan. As much as I am disappointed with things the Libs have and have not done, when I consider the most pressing issues facing Canada these day the Libs have an edge over the Cons and unfortunately the NDP and Greens do not have enough weight to shift the balance of power unless we end up in a situation similar to what we have here in BC.
Sorry, but he won 6 states by less than 2%, and 3 of those by 0.2%, 0.7% and 0.8%. Between the Russian campaign which was decidedly anti-HRC and pro-Trump, and the leaks of the DNC emails which we know the Russians stole, can you honestly say that those 3 or 6 states would have still gone for Trump? The Mueller laid out quite clearly how sophisticated and well-timed this campaign was, and that it started in 2014, laying the groundwork for many of the reasons people soured on Hillary. She was quite popular before that. So with all that I find it hard to believe it had less than a 1% total effect of the votes. That is only 0.5% of swing voters in 6 states that are primarily white. The simple math is hard to ignore.
I get Chomsky's point, it is not that I disagree with him, but none if it will change, it will only get worse if the GOP keeps controlling governments in America. When Chomsky goes on about general corruption he fails to point out how lopsided that corruption is, and that is how we ended up with so many people thinking HRC and the Democrats would be just as bad as Trump and the GOP. He is influential and it muddies the water and makes voters look for too much purity. America is not going to change in any drastic way immediately, they need to at least get a group of adults in charge first, so focusing on the reasons the GOP is an American nightmare is important.
In some ways, I am happy that Trump won. It has opened people's eyes to how fucking awful the GOP, especially the McConnell Senate, really is. In 2020 America must get pragmatic, so focusing on the tasks down the to-do list is pointless. Russian interference matters now, the AG working for Trump and ignoring the law matters now, the GOP cramming the courts full of sycophants matter now. These are the little things that could lead to at least 4 more years after which it only gets harder. Ditch the GOP and then we can talk about the greater corruption, until then, he is putting the cart before the horse.