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Dec. 15, 2020, 2:15 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Am I a fool to think there is a faint hope that Trump creates his own party?  Can you imagine the GOP heartache if a MAGA party started siphoning off votes?  It would be hilarious.

It is a faint hope, but here is my reasoning;

- You are hearing his supporters turn on the GOP in chants because they won't make Trump emperor and we know Trump hears them

- Trump is fully grasping how much money there is in campaigning and with superPACs even when he loses

- It would give him standing that he may never get again in the GOP (imagine Trump as the third person in a presidential debate flinging shit).

- In a MAGA party he is king and so are his stupid kids

Not a fool, I was thinking similarly. I think there are a fair number of republicans (the centre right) who wouldn’t support the orange guy as their leader. I think the republicans are going to be in tatters for while.

Dec. 15, 2020, 2:22 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

(imagine Trump as the third person in a presidential debate flinging shit)

Never happen. Dems/Repugs control debates no 3rd party left or right gets to play.

Perot was in the 92 debates.

Dec. 15, 2020, 6:04 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: tungsten

(imagine Trump as the third person in a presidential debate flinging shit)

Never happen. Dems/Repugs control debates no 3rd party left or right gets to play.

Perot was in the 92 debates.

You're not allowed to use facts when replying to a conspiracist.

Dec. 15, 2020, 6:19 p.m.
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You're right he was.  But in '96 ...

... Ross Perot was excluded from the debates in the 1996 campaign. Paul Kirk, co-chairman of the Commission on Presidential Debates stated that "Our decision, was made on the basis that only President Clinton and Senator Dole have a realistic chance, as set forth in our criteria, to be elected the next president of the United States

..., the Commission on Presidential Debates added a 15% polling bar to its rules to ensure that only Republicans and Democrats need apply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_presidential_debates

Weren't gonna' let that happen again!

Dec. 15, 2020, 11:08 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Am I a fool to think there is a faint hope that Trump creates his own party?  Can you imagine the GOP heartache if a MAGA party started siphoning off votes?  It would be hilarious.

It is a faint hope, but here is my reasoning;

- You are hearing his supporters turn on the GOP in chants because they won't make Trump emperor and we know Trump hears them

- Trump is fully grasping how much money there is in campaigning and with superPACs even when he loses

- It would give him standing that he may never get again in the GOP (imagine Trump as the third person in a presidential debate flinging shit).

- In a MAGA party he is king and so are his stupid kids

Nah, you're a fool for not realizing what's coming ;)

Dec. 16, 2020, 7:47 a.m.
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Oh, do tell

Dec. 16, 2020, 8:56 a.m.
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MAGA nation doesn’t care about debates. If he’s excluded than he’s all the more better to “Drain the Swamp” as an “Outsider”. He’d hold a rally the same night and get em all whipped up real good.

Dec. 16, 2020, 9:28 a.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Am I a fool to think there is a faint hope that Trump creates his own party? Can you imagine the GOP heartache if a MAGA party started siphoning off votes? It would be hilarious.

It is a faint hope, but here is my reasoning;

- You are hearing his supporters turn on the GOP in chants because they won't make Trump emperor and we know Trump hears them

- Trump is fully grasping how much money there is in campaigning and with superPACs even when he loses

- It would give him standing that he may never get again in the GOP (imagine Trump as the third person in a presidential debate flinging shit).

- In a MAGA party he is king and so are his stupid kids

Nah, you're a fool for not realizing what's coming ;)

OK, tell us then. It looks like the MAGA people, your people, are turning on the GOP universe, including Fox News. There are surrogates telling supporters to skip the Georgia runoff election which is basically stabbing McConnell in the back.

Assuming he doesn't go to jail there is no way he is going to leave US politics. So his choices are to haunt the GOP in a 2024 bid, or go rogue. I have to think going rogue would be way more fun for him. Instead of an RNC, the entire funding apparatus would his all his. A TNC. The ultimate grift.


 Last edited by: chupacabra on Dec. 16, 2020, 9:28 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Dec. 16, 2020, 9:32 a.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

You're right he was.  But in '96 ...

... Ross Perot was excluded from the debates in the 1996 campaign. Paul Kirk, co-chairman of the Commission on Presidential Debates stated that "Our decision, was made on the basis that only President Clinton and Senator Dole have a realistic chance, as set forth in our criteria, to be elected the next president of the United States

..., the Commission on Presidential Debates added a 15% polling bar to its rules to ensure that only Republicans and Democrats need apply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_presidential_debates

Weren't gonna' let that happen again!

Do you think an independent Trump would get 15%?

Dec. 17, 2020, 8:22 p.m.
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So some guy hacked Trump's twitter account by just guessing at the password.  It was something like maga2020!

The guy hacked his account stuff years ago when he guessed the password: yourefired

Dec. 17, 2020, 11:44 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Nah, you're a fool for not realizing what's coming ;)

OK, tell us then. It looks like the MAGA people, your people, are turning on the GOP universe, including Fox News. There are surrogates telling supporters to skip the Georgia runoff election which is basically stabbing McConnell in the back.

Assuming he doesn't go to jail there is no way he is going to leave US politics. So his choices are to haunt the GOP in a 2024 bid, or go rogue. I have to think going rogue would be way more fun for him. Instead of an RNC, the entire funding apparatus would his all his. A TNC. The ultimate grift.

You're again distracted by the characters instead of looking at the play. It'll come down to the effectiveness of the USA's national security agencies regarding Trump's 2018 EO on election interference. If that somehow gets enforced, not only will you and everyone else lose your liberal shit but that means that the white hats are real and crazy Alcoa was right. By Alcoa I mean tinfoil. Also means the potential for a civil war is much yuger.

Tomorrow will be the 45th day from the General Election which was stated in Trump's 2018 EO. Y'all should take a gander. But, 5050 nothing burger like the picture or video of Barr "just walking along tucking his shirt in".

Trump doesnt want to run again in 2024. But he will step aside then ;)

Dec. 17, 2020, 11:46 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

So some guy hacked Trump's twitter account by just guessing at the password.  It was something like maga2020!

The guy hacked his account stuff years ago when he guessed the password: yourefired

John Podesta's password was password. You could probably guess Hillary Clinton's password is a Tarantino movie title.

Dec. 19, 2020, 11:16 p.m.
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Joined: May 23, 2006

A good read.

The fundamental paradox of power— that the last people who should hold it are the people who want it, suggests that picking around the edges of Party politics is a low probability method of affecting meaningful political outcomes. This isn’t an argument against doing so. Those who heed the call should work away on Supreme Court choices and opportunities to shift budgets this way or that. Rumor had it that Hillary Clinton’s Supreme Court pick to replace Antonin Scalia, had she won the 2016 election, was Texas Republican Wallace Jefferson. Hell, even Klaus Barbie, the Butcher of Lyon, found his way onto the payroll of the U.S. military. So there is good work to be done close to power.

The point regarding Mr. Barbie isn’t just a cheap shot. It is that and so much more. The neoliberal program that arose in the aftermath of WWII, which produced the Chicago School of economics, a tortured and implausible, but ‘American,’ philosophy of science, and an anti-communist liberalism that formed the institutional core of the American Left, was intended to produce an historical break with American slavery, genocide and eugenics, which had also been the racialized center of the Nazi program. As irony had it, it was combined with realpolitik that brought much of the senior Nazi leadership to work in leadership roles in the American project from that point forward.

The sources for these charges are the CIA, CIA, the New York Times and DemocracyNow!

Operation Paperclip brought 1,600 Nazi scientists to the U.S. to work in defense and commerce. Other programs run by the OSS, which became the CIA, and the CIC, placed hundreds, probably thousands, of former Nazi leaders in American political and spy operations in South America and Europe. Klaus Barbie was reportedly working for the CIA in Bolivia when Che Guevara was captured, and later killed. And the Americans took over the Nazi Concentration Camp system and kept it running, filled with ‘communists,’ for years after the end of WWII. The point: it wasn’t just realpolitik— an alliance of convenience, that made the integration of the Nazi leadership into American politics, science, and culture a successful fit. This is what America is.

So, when Joe Biden mumbles less-than-well-considered-cow-manure about ‘restoring the soul of America,’ it is important to understand that he was a key architect of George W. Bush’s war against Iraq that killed somewhere between 500,000 – three million Iraqis. He signed off on counterinsurgency operations that came (factually) straight from the Nazi SS playbook. Mr. Biden gladly and willfully wrote and enacted laws that put several million poor people through the mass incarceration system. And Mr. Biden commissioned the writing of the Patriot Act that is being used to shut down dissenting views on the internet. To the extent that the term has descriptive value, Joe Biden is a fascist.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/18/what-does-the-left-owe-party-politics/

with citations


 Last edited by: tungsten on Dec. 20, 2020, 12:14 p.m., edited 4 times in total.
Dec. 21, 2020, 11:15 a.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Nah, you're a fool for not realizing what's coming ;)

OK, tell us then. It looks like the MAGA people, your people, are turning on the GOP universe, including Fox News. There are surrogates telling supporters to skip the Georgia runoff election which is basically stabbing McConnell in the back.

Assuming he doesn't go to jail there is no way he is going to leave US politics. So his choices are to haunt the GOP in a 2024 bid, or go rogue. I have to think going rogue would be way more fun for him. Instead of an RNC, the entire funding apparatus would his all his. A TNC. The ultimate grift.

You're again distracted by the characters instead of looking at the play. It'll come down to the effectiveness of the USA's national security agencies regarding Trump's 2018 EO on election interference. If that somehow gets enforced, not only will you and everyone else lose your liberal shit but that means that the white hats are real and crazy Alcoa was right. By Alcoa I mean tinfoil. Also means the potential for a civil war is much yuger.

Tomorrow will be the 45th day from the General Election which was stated in Trump's 2018 EO. Y'all should take a gander. But, 5050 nothing burger like the picture or video of Barr "just walking along tucking his shirt in".

Trump doesnt want to run again in 2024. But he will step aside then ;)

Liberals are not losing their shit so does this prove the "white hats" are just disgruntled bootlicking snowflakes?  In this entire toddler tantrum era of the Trump administration there has not been one single bit of evidence that lends credence to claims of voter fraud.  How many of these milestones have to pass with nothing happening before you understand that Trump is the fraud.

Dec. 21, 2020, 11:18 a.m.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/202007/when-the-narcissist-fails

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