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Jan. 27, 2020, 3:44 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: tungsten

Posted by: ReductiMat

From what he posts, I don't get any sense that tungsten is anti-war...

To be anti-amerikan is to be profoundly anti-war.

Anti-American-War.

Today all war is amerikan.

They are number one by far, but to say if they didn't exist we'd all be a bunch of cuddle-puddles is pretty lame.

Jan. 27, 2020, 6:47 p.m.
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Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: tungsten

Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: tungsten

Posted by: ReductiMat

From what he posts, I don't get any sense that tungsten is anti-war...

To be anti-amerikan is to be profoundly anti-war.

Anti-American-War.

Today all war is amerikan.

They are number one by far, but to say if they didn't exist we'd all be a bunch of cuddle-puddles is pretty lame.

"The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer".

Jan. 27, 2020, 8:12 p.m.
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That wasn't true then, and it isn't true now.

Jan. 28, 2020, 9:26 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

That wasn't true then, and it isn't true now.

Wisdom from 100 years ago doesn't impress you?  LOL.  The irony is that it was written by a Brit in the 20s.  I wonder if Gandhi would agree.

Jan. 28, 2020, 10:58 a.m.
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I don't know a lot about Lawrence but I believe he spent some time in the southwest and saw what America had done to the indigenous population there. I'm guessing his views on the American psyche is heavily influenced by this experience so he's unlikely to give much consideration to the more positive aspects of the "essential American soul". He's said to have avoided visiting India, as he felt he would be "overwhelmed"; which, for a sensitive person who is coming face to face with the results of his countrymans oppression, would be a fairly reasonable response (India IS overwhelming!). He likely had more sympathy for MK Gandhi than Colonel Dyer. Lawrence's lack of sympathy for the American population is somewhat ironic in light of his sympathy for the oppressed "Indian"; considering that his country was once their oppressor.

To me, if one wants to understand the "essential soul" of a people, one is better served by going there and spending time with them. Their media, their "leaders" and their foreign policy more accurately reflect the interests of their powerful elites than the spirit or even the interests of the general population.


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Jan. 28, 2020, 11:39 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

I don't know a lot about Lawrence but I believe he spent some time in the southwest and saw what America had done to the indigenous population there. I'm guessing his views on the American psyche is heavily influenced by this experience so he's unlikely to give much consideration to the more positive aspects of the "essential American soul". He's said to have avoided visiting India, as he felt he would be "overwhelmed"; which, for a sensitive person who is coming face to face with the results of his countrymans oppression, would be a fairly reasonable response (India IS overwhelming!). He likely had more sympathy for MK Gandhi than Colonel Dyer. Lawrence's lack of sympathy for the American population is somewhat ironic in light of his sympathy for the oppressed "Indian"; considering that his country was once their oppressor.

To me, if one wants to understand the "essential soul" of a people, one is better served by going there and spending time with them. Their media, their "leaders" and their foreign policy more accurately reflect the interests of their powerful elites than the spirit or even the interests of the general population.

I am sure I know less about him than you, but I agree with you about the soul of a people.  I have always enjoyed the people in the US and I have spent time in most parts of the country, including the deep south (the hospitality is real).  In most cases, the violent acts by the state do not define the people as well.  Iran is a  perfect example.

Jan. 29, 2020, 10:59 p.m.
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Killers. Killers I tell you.

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/01/29/the-fbi-has-been-lying-about-seth-rich/


 Last edited by: tungsten on Jan. 29, 2020, 11:21 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Jan. 30, 2020, 7:13 p.m.
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https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/1222510655586152449

Jan. 31, 2020, 2:51 a.m.
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Trump will get off.  The USA is now an official banana republic.

It is easy to dodge our responsibilities, but we cannot dodge the consequences of dodging our responsibilities.
- Josiah Stamp

Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race.
- H.G. Wells

Jan. 31, 2020, 8:49 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

Trump will get off.  The USA is now an official banana republic.

That Dershowitz argument was fucking insane.  Their system has no way to keep itself from being hostage to partisans and there is no path to any kind of reform that I can see.

Jan. 31, 2020, 10:41 a.m.
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Jan. 31, 2020, 1:33 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: switch

Trump will get off.  The USA is now an official banana republic.

That Dershowitz argument was fucking insane.  Their system has no way to keep itself from being hostage to partisans and there is no path to any kind of reform that I can see.

Trump 2020 yet?

Jan. 31, 2020, 3:11 p.m.
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And to think, Clinton pretty much got impeached over a blow job.

Jan. 31, 2020, 3:29 p.m.
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Posted by: FLATCH

And to think, Clinton pretty much got impeached over a blow job.

And back then we HAD to hear from Lewinsky. The rules are so slanted for the GOP it is amazing they ever lose. Think about what we witnessed today. It all hinged on what Collins and Murkowski would decide. Senators from 2 states that represent a total of 2 million people.  Fuck you California.


 Last edited by: chupacabra on Jan. 31, 2020, 3:31 p.m., edited 2 times in total.
Jan. 31, 2020, 3:33 p.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: switch

Trump will get off.  The USA is now an official banana republic.

That Dershowitz argument was fucking insane.  Their system has no way to keep itself from being hostage to partisans and there is no path to any kind of reform that I can see.

Trump 2020 yet?

I think there are going to be a lot of Americans that will not want that to happen.  I am willing to bet the turnout for 2020 will break records.

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