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Oct. 22, 2019, 2:30 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: tungsten

Not at all. In these parts Kwan's a shoo in.

chup lives in east van? well, that explains all his dirty marxo-communist rabble rousing and musings here on nsmb. do you two have tents next to each other in the commune?

ffs, Why do you think Singh ran in Burnaby south? lol....

Oct. 22, 2019, 7:47 p.m.
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First-past-the-post has cheated voters in every province

Canada’s new House of Commons makes the country look far more divided than it really is 

And no party can be satisfied. Our skewed voting system has, incredibly, given Liberals 34 more seats than the Conservatives despite the Conservatives getting 1.5% more votes than the Liberals. 

In our four western provinces, the Conservatives have won about 53% of the votes, yet Conservative voters have elected about 68% of the MPs. The Western Liberals have won about 21% of the votes, yet Liberal voters have elected only 14% of the MPs. 

In Alberta, Liberal voters deserve to be represented by five MPs, yet our undemocratic voting system has thrown their votes in the trash. In Saskatchewan, Liberal Ralph Goodale was defeated although Saskatchewan Liberal voters deserved to elect two MPs. 

In Quebec, Bloc Quebecois voters have cast about 33% of the votes, yet our skewed voting system has let them elect about 41% of the MPs. Quebec Liberal voters cast about 34% of the votes, but they have elected about 45% of the MPs. 

Yet in fact Quebec has more diverse voices. Conservative voters cast about 16% of the votes, but have elected only 13% of the MPs. NDP voters cast about 11% of the votes, yet have elected only one MP. Green voters cast about 4% of the votes, but elected no one. 

“I do not see why we should maintain a voting system that makes our major parties appear less national and our regions more politically opposed than they really are” wrote former Liberal leader Stephane Dion in 2012. “I no longer want a voting system that gives the impression that certain parties have given up on Quebec, or on the West. On the contrary, the whole spectrum of parties, from Greens to Conservatives, must embrace all the regions of Canada. In each region, they must be able to obtain seats proportionate to their actual support. This is the main reason why I recommend replacing our voting system.” 

“Mr. Dion was obviously right “says Fair Vote Canada President Real Lavergne. “What more is to be said?” 

Across Canada, the results under proportional representation would have been about 116 Liberals, 117 Conservatives, 57 NDP, 22 Greens, and 26 Bloc, rather than 156, 122, 24, 3, and 32, respectively. 

The Liberals have no mandate to govern alone, with only 33% of the votes. The potential Liberal-NDP coalition would still have a majority of MPs under either system, but it would have been representative of all provinces had they been elected under pro rep. Not only would the PMO have to get agreement from two parties, it would face full representation from 10 provinces. 

The voting system has robbed more than half of the NDP voters of fair representation. They cast 16% of the votes, yet elected only 7% of the MPs. 

Still worse, Green Party voters cast 6% of the votes but elected only three MPs, when fair representation would have been 22 MPs. 

Atlantic Provinces voters are more diverse than they appear from the results. Atlantic Canada Conservative voters deserved to elect nine MPs rather than only four. The 32 MPs from those four provinces should have included five New Democrats rather than only one, and four Green MPs rather than one. 

Ontario voters deserved to elect 24 New Democrats not just 13, and 11 Green MPs rather than none. 

The current voting system consistently skews results in favour of larger parties, and exacerbates differences between the various regions of Canada. Canadians deserve better. 

Fair Vote Canada is a cross-partisan national citizens’ campaign representing 80,000 Canadians advocating for voting system reform. FVC promotes the introduction of an element of proportional representation in elections at all levels of government.

SUPPORT FAIR VOTE CANADA!

Oct. 22, 2019, 8:53 p.m.
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for the love of god man, include a link!

Oct. 22, 2019, 10:42 p.m.
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Funny how the birthplace of the NDP now votes 90% conservative.

I guess that's what oil will do to a people.

Oct. 22, 2019, 11:38 p.m.
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Joined: May 23, 2006

Posted by: syncro

for the love of god man, include a link!

https://www.google.com/search?q=google&oq=google&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i60l3.3152j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Oct. 23, 2019, 6:39 a.m.
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Joined: Oct. 23, 2003

Posted by: switch

Funny how the birthplace of the NDP now votes 90% conservative.

I guess that's what oil will do to a people.

And now that they don't get their way, they immediately want to leave. Funny how they're acting a whole lot like the entitled snowflakes they so love to hate.

Oct. 23, 2019, 8:41 a.m.
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Joined: Feb. 26, 2015

Wanna read some great stuff go to the comments section on the CBC news site.  . The Albertans are rabid, great comedy.

Oct. 23, 2019, 9:15 a.m.
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If we ever did get to have proportional representation people in this country will have to get used to minority governments.  I am fine with them and they make the parties actually work together, but a lot of people think that they are useless.

Oct. 23, 2019, 9:39 a.m.
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Joined: Oct. 23, 2003

I've basically decided that most public comments on Facebook rant and raves and articles etc are paid Russian trolls.


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Oct. 23, 2019, 9:58 a.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

If we ever did get to have proportional representation people in this country will have to get used to minority governments.  I am fine with them and they make the parties actually work together, but a lot of people think that they are useless.

They base that all on what some commercials have told them... (remember when the BC Libs had fucking Nazi commercials during our last referendum?  The general electorate are a bunch of paint eating inbreds).

Oct. 23, 2019, 10:30 a.m.
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Posted by: ReductiMat

The general electorate are a bunch of paint eating inbreds.

This.

Oct. 23, 2019, 12:38 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: tungsten

Not at all. In these parts Kwan's a shoo in.

chup lives in east van? well, that explains all his dirty marxo-communist rabble rousing and musings here on nsmb. do you two have tents next to each other in the commune?

LMAO.  No, I live in Squamish and we went Liberal again so no, it wouldn't have changed much.

Oct. 23, 2019, 12:42 p.m.
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Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: chupacabra

If we ever did get to have proportional representation people in this country will have to get used to minority governments.  I am fine with them and they make the parties actually work together, but a lot of people think that they are useless.

They base that all on what some commercials have told them... (remember when the BC Libs had fucking Nazi commercials during our last referendum?  The general electorate are a bunch of paint eating inbreds).

Can you imagine being innocent of a major crime and going to court to face a "jury of your peers"?  Your fate decided by 12 people that just want to go home and watch reality TV?

Oct. 23, 2019, 2:01 p.m.
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Posted by: earleb

Posted by: ReductiMat

The general electorate are a bunch of paint eating inbreds.

This.

Idiots.  Shellac tastes much better.

Oct. 24, 2019, 2:06 p.m.
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Joined: May 23, 2006

Very tasty...

https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/Sj3ed3

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