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The Decline of Vancouver.

March 4, 2024, 3:01 p.m.
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Posted by: heckler

Posted by: shoreboy

Snowpack is down 22-30% over the past ten years (depending on where you measure). Its down to 35-50% in the past 50 years. Id predict the North Shore mountains don't have too many years left to be a viable ski location.

careful, this complaint should be logged in the climate-change-so-im-starting-to-panic-a-bit thread.

I think any complaints of threadjacking are due to this forum software not supporting any form of threading, but that would be a topic for the new forum thread

March 4, 2024, 3:25 p.m.
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Posted by: [email protected]

Please post your complaints about the health care system in the dedicated thread:

What are you doing to protect yourself from our failing healthcare system?

This thread is to complain about Vancouver.

The hospital and health care are not relevant to the topic of living in Vancouver? 😕

March 4, 2024, 3:43 p.m.
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Joined: June 17, 2016

It was half-joke, half-serious.

You glass-always-half-empty guys need a The Decline of Everything thread.

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Back to Vancouver: I kind of miss it a little bit.

March 4, 2024, 9:17 p.m.
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Posted by: [email protected]

It was half-joke, half-serious.

You glass-always-half-empty guys need a The Decline of Everything thread.

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Back to Vancouver: I kind of miss it a little bit.

Sorry, Niels.  Mood and timing with mood matched perfectly. LOL

Vancouver nice place to visit however as keep answering everytime am asked about living there if and when move back. Nope rather live elsewhere in BC.

March 17, 2024, 10:58 a.m.
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This article is aimed at Canada in general, but parts of it strongly apply to Vancouver and BC. 

The antidote to our challenges is to embrace an “abundance” mindset. This implies a political priority to ensure that the essentials for robust social health—such as housing, energy, health care, and transportation—are plentiful and give people options. Systemic reforms must address the housing crisis head-on, significantly boost productivity, and ensure that the basics—crucial for a high-quality life—are within everyone’s reach.

Achieving these outcomes demands leadership and bold action, including the possibility of the federal government devolving taxation powers to provinces in exchange for reforms. Such reforms should aim to eliminate interprovincial trade barriers, clarify jurisdictions, centralize regulatory frameworks, boost competition in Canada’s private sector, revamp land use and municipal governance, and reform the tax code. Furthermore, there’s an urgent need to overhaul public infrastructure procurement and construction practices, where poor state capacity has unnecessarily inflated the cost of building social and physical infrastructure. The challenge we face is not the magnitude of government expenditure but the extent of its overcomplication, overreach, and waste.

https://thehub.ca/2024-03-15/eric-lombardi-canadas-zero-sum-economy/

April 15, 2024, 8:38 p.m.
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Gvrd can suck my balls quite frankly.

July 21, 2024, 10:04 a.m.
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The Vienna model could be the only sustainable solution long term for the housing crisis as there certainly aren't any free market solutions that would help. Cities should start buying up units and developing units that would be publicly owned and managed which would give private landlords some competition. Public apartments could get back to basics and forgoe the granite countertops, marble bathroom tiles and centralized climate control for linoleum and baseboard heaters to keep construction costs down.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/10/the-social-housing-secret-how-vienna-became-the-worlds-most-livable-city

There's this narrative that the government would never be able to run housing properly because it's inherently incompetent but we handed full control of housing to the free market 30 years ago and it's resulted in absolute society destroying clusterfuck. There's literally now way the government could do worse than the free market has. 

https://betterdwelling.com/canadas-cmhc-internal-messages-show-housing-supply-narrative-is-bs/


 Last edited by: Fast-Orange on July 21, 2024, 10:21 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
July 21, 2024, 11:42 a.m.
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And who is going to pay for buying up the housing?  The government money has to come from somewhere.

July 21, 2024, 12:47 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

And who is going to pay for buying up the housing?  The government money has to come from somewhere.

I imagine they would pay for it the same way landlords do by borrowing money and charging rent and paying it back over time. Except there would be no profit incentive, the goal would be to simply cover as much of the costs as possible while diverting the inevitable savings from health care and law enforcement. Eventually there would be enough public assets owned outright by the city that they wouldn't cost much even if rents were based on income. 

I know I would much rather my rent went into paying off a public asset as opposed to lining some jerk's retirement account. 

We have to try something else regardless. The free market has failed us.

July 21, 2024, 8:23 p.m.
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Is this where XXXer pipes in with some run-on sentence about moving north and some random guy at a bar that bought high but sold low?

July 21, 2024, 9:44 p.m.
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Posted by: [email protected]

It was half-joke, half-serious.

You glass-always-half-empty guys need a The Decline of Everything thread.

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Back to Vancouver: I kind of miss it a little bit.

They started the enshittification thread since this comment which I think applies.

July 22, 2024, 11:52 a.m.
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Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Is this where XXXer pipes in with some run-on sentence about moving north and some random guy at a bar that bought high but sold low?

Too funny...

July 22, 2024, 4:16 p.m.
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Posted by: Jotegir

Posted by: [email protected]

It was half-joke, half-serious.

You glass-always-half-empty guys need a The Decline of Everything thread.

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Back to Vancouver: I kind of miss it a little bit.

They started the enshittification thread since this comment which I think applies.

From my perspective, the glass half empty discussions are just that, discussions about the issues we face and possibly some solutions that we might be able to implement to make our own lives better. You can often find some great pearls of wisdom in these discussions, or examples of people doing great things with their lives after having had a hard look at their place in the world and planning accordingly. 

I don't think there's any situation that's perfect, or if there is there was usually a lot of hard work involved before the situation got really good.

July 23, 2024, 1:12 a.m.
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Posted by: Fast-Orange

The Vienna model could be the only sustainable solution long term for the housing crisis as there certainly aren't any free market solutions that would help. Cities should start buying up units and developing units that would be publicly owned and managed which would give private landlords some competition. Public apartments could get back to basics and forgoe the granite countertops, marble bathroom tiles and centralized climate control for linoleum and baseboard heaters to keep construction costs down.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/10/the-social-housing-secret-how-vienna-became-the-worlds-most-livable-city

There's this narrative that the government would never be able to run housing properly because it's inherently incompetent but we handed full control of housing to the free market 30 years ago and it's resulted in absolute society destroying clusterfuck. There's literally now way the government could do worse than the free market has.

https://betterdwelling.com/canadas-cmhc-internal-messages-show-housing-supply-narrative-is-bs/

Except that the exploding housing costs of the "free market" are a huge cash cow for the government and they've been completely complicit in perpetuating and encouraging the shit show the housing market is currently in. There's a lot they could do directly to reduce housing costs but they make too much money with the existing structure for there to be any incentive to do so.


 Last edited by: Kenny on July 23, 2024, 1:13 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
July 23, 2024, 8:46 a.m.
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Posted by: Kenny

Posted by: Fast-Orange

The Vienna model could be the only sustainable solution long term for the housing crisis as there certainly aren't any free market solutions that would help. Cities should start buying up units and developing units that would be publicly owned and managed which would give private landlords some competition. Public apartments could get back to basics and forgoe the granite countertops, marble bathroom tiles and centralized climate control for linoleum and baseboard heaters to keep construction costs down.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/jan/10/the-social-housing-secret-how-vienna-became-the-worlds-most-livable-city

There's this narrative that the government would never be able to run housing properly because it's inherently incompetent but we handed full control of housing to the free market 30 years ago and it's resulted in absolute society destroying clusterfuck. There's literally now way the government could do worse than the free market has.

https://betterdwelling.com/canadas-cmhc-internal-messages-show-housing-supply-narrative-is-bs/

Except that the exploding housing costs of the "free market" are a huge cash cow for the government and they've been completely complicit in perpetuating and encouraging the shit show the housing market is currently in. There's a lot they could do directly to reduce housing costs but they make too much money with the existing structure for there to be any incentive to do so.

you mean we should/ shouldn't let the people who caused the problem fix it ?


 Last edited by: XXX_er on July 23, 2024, 9:10 a.m., edited 1 time in total.

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