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The Decline of Vancouver.

May 5, 2022, 9:40 a.m.
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Posted by: heckler

I am fearful of cashing out, downsizing to the boonies (SSC or Island), due to likelihood of bidding wars and loosing out on offers for a new location.

One less three bed/three bath family sized DNV  townhome available for a young family to sink 70% of their income into.   Our two cats love the space to run.

This happened to friends of my in laws in Whistler.  They sold their place in Whistler to buy a sweet island waterfront home and ended up living in my in laws condo for a year desperate for a place.  They had to give up on waterfront and lost a load of cash in the process.

May 5, 2022, 9:49 a.m.
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Posted by: Lowcard

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: Lowcard

The wife and I have a place in North Van, but would we ever live there again? Not a fucking chance. We'll rent it for a few years then sell it. I like visiting the area, especially in the winter when we're socked in with snow in Kamloops, but the city has lost all it's appeal for us. It's so busy that I feel claustrophobic, like I can't get away from people. So many folks are just wasting theirs lives stuck in traffic, or planning their lives around when they can leave their house. We value our freedom of movement and our personal time - to get up any morning and just go wherever we want within a reasonable driving distance. There's more to life than frittering away money.

Then there's Vancouver's cost of living and housing prices. If you're into the market already, then good for you. If you can cash out and work elsewhere, do it.

We bought a place in Newfoundland a couple years ago. $155k west facing, ocean views, fully renovated. Eventually we'll move back there because it's cheap to live and thrive, the island is beautiful, and the people are beyond amazing. I can't describe how good it is, you just have to experience it.

My brother spent a year working in Placentia and he did not share your view of NFLD.  He said the people there were quite insular and didn't really enjoy out of province people much.  He can be an asshole though, so who knows.  He is planning on moving the Nova Scotia for similar reasons to yours.

I'll admit, there are shitholes there and Placentia is one of them. Best to avoid. But the good spots make up for it. Conversely, there are dumpy places in BC and nobody seems to mind. The nice thing about NL and the Maritimes is that small towns are generally really nice places to visit. Can't say that about small town BC. Have you visited 70 Mile recently?

NL has a late spring. Really starts getting warm in June, but it can be warm into late October. Relatively speaking. We were there from July to January and the weather was amazing. Drove both directions.

Hey man, if you dig it that is all that matters.  We may have different opinions on what constitutes amazing weather though.  

I really like small town BC as well.  You picked one the worst examples.

May 5, 2022, 2:12 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: chupacabra

You picked one the worst examples.

What example did he pick? Lowcard didn't mention any towns specifically, you were the one that brought up the Placentia example.

70 mile house

May 5, 2022, 2:16 p.m.
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Posted by: Adam-West

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: chupacabra

You picked one the worst examples.

What example did he pick? Lowcard didn't mention any towns specifically, you were the one that brought up the Placentia example.

70 mile house

Jeebus, don't know how i missed that. Although I thought he meant in reference to NFLD.


 Last edited by: syncro on May 5, 2022, 2:18 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
May 5, 2022, 2:23 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Adam-West

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: chupacabra

You picked one the worst examples.

What example did he pick? Lowcard didn't mention any towns specifically, you were the one that brought up the Placentia example.

70 mile house

Jeebus, don't know how i missed that. Although I thought he meant in reference to NFLD.

Your eyes just passed over it without noticing just like when you drive through.  LOL.  Honestly though, I have nothing against 70 Mile but if BC has a butt hole it has to be near by.

May 5, 2022, 2:30 p.m.
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hahaha - probably, even though I've driven through there more than a few times for various reasons. kind of like spuzzum in the canyon.

May 7, 2022, 12:49 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Adam-West

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: chupacabra

You picked one the worst examples.

What example did he pick? Lowcard didn't mention any towns specifically, you were the one that brought up the Placentia example.

70 mile house

Jeebus, don't know how i missed that. Although I thought he meant in reference to NFLD.

Your eyes just passed over it without noticing just like when you drive through.  LOL.  Honestly though, I have nothing against 70 Mile but if BC has a butt hole it has to be near by.

My challenge with the whole strip from about Cache Creek to roughly Quesnel is you're at least a two hour drive from any reasonable airport which sucks especially in the winter. 

Personally I'd rather be on the outskirts of Prince George if I'm going to be in the bush and snow anyways, since it's only an hour flight to Vancouver/Edmonton/Calgary if/when needed.

May 7, 2022, 1:37 p.m.
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can't beat the Kootenays for overall living but North Van has the best bike trails (non bike park) in the planet.

May 7, 2022, 3:27 p.m.
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Posted by: Polymath

One thing I notice is that there seems to be an attitude of "entitlement" to the fact that it is a right to live here. Living in Vancouver is not a right and a privilege that you have to earn. I notice this especially for those whom want to live on the Shore or do so. Having been born and raised in Lynn Valley I notice this a lot from those like me whom were also born and raised here. The idea of having to move to somewhere else or, heaven forbid, Abbotsford or Langley, is unthinkable despite the fact the cost of living is lower (relatively of course). Many whom I grew up with have never left the Shore wanting to stay but instead of buying when you could of in an affordable area (when it was) they instead rent and now are out of the ability to ever own anything anywhere. They have built up no equity or savings either. I live in Langley now and bought when it was attainable but I would love to go back to the Shore and have missed it since leaving (actually, I would prefer Lions Bay or Squamish now that North Van is so congested). The idea of not living in NV is so unthinkable to many I know it shocks me. In the end they will be left with nothing since rents can go nothing but up and available units go down. Many I know have been told to move out as the unit is being used for older children of the landlords whom themselves cannot find anywhere to rent and it stands to reason you are going to think of family first.

I get it we all want to live in a nice area that suits our lifestyle and proclivities but the simple fact is that Vancouver is turning into another Monaco and attainability and affordability are long gone and never coming back. I have no idea how anyone under 30 today is going to have any hope of staying here unless they come into money or have a high paying job from the start. The demographic shift in the next 10 years is going to be a real eye opener. Even worse is the ambivalence of employers whom seem to think it is not their problem but cannot find workers as the wages offered cannot support the livability of the people they need to work. But where are these workers coming from? A Starbucks barista is not living in an apartment downtown alone that's for sure. Or anyone in the service industry for that matter.

for the last 25yrs I been telling people on this forum IME if they had left Vangroovy they can afford to buy a home and have mo money,

also if you run a basement suite you can make money from that guy who is busy squandering his opurtoonity while living in your basement and givivng you the rent $$$ every month

but having to put up with renters is hassle so it would seem

so is having to put up with a land lord

I thot squamish had the best bike trails? but bike trails are getting built ever ware with government funding


 Last edited by: XXX_er on May 7, 2022, 3:28 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
May 7, 2022, 5:56 p.m.
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Squamish has better legit trails on the whole but we got 3 mountains

May 7, 2022, 7:30 p.m.
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ok but who has the best basement suites ?

May 9, 2022, 3:21 p.m.
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Posted by: XXX_er

ok but who has the best basement suites ?

Don't you mean garden suites?

May 9, 2022, 7:31 p.m.
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no, from surmising the google I think a garden suite is a separate building you put in your back yard, so its gona be mo money

there are a couple in my hood, they have to be done legal and these are totally legal, after talking to my buddy Jerry the carp you are looking at 250K ballpark to build one from scratch in yer backyard after which you can charge 1600$ in rent, jerry is charging 1600 for an old 2 bedroom rental house and 1600 for a new lane way or garden home in the back yard SO do the math eh

whereas a basement suite in an existing house/ existing everything/ piggy backing on the main structure can be pretty fucking cheap to get going and you make mo money from the git go


 Last edited by: XXX_er on May 9, 2022, 7:33 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
May 9, 2022, 7:53 p.m.
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^^^

swing and a miss

May 9, 2022, 7:59 p.m.
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well you don't appear to know what you are talking about, no wonder Vangroovy is in decline, but its good for the thread

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