Yup, having different regulations from state to state or even city to city means the problem has to be addressed on a national level. The problem with the US political system is that it only takes one state to prevent it. Having states set their own gun regs makes as much sense as having peeing and no peeing sections in a swimming pool, eventually everyone gets tainted by someone else's filth.
Texas school shooting - 18 elementary kids dead.
Posted by: syncro
Yup, having different regulations from state to state or even city to city means the problem has to be addressed on a national level. The problem with the US political system is that it only takes one state to prevent it. Having states set their own gun regs makes as much sense as having peeing and no peeing sections in a swimming pool, eventually everyone gets tainted by someone else's filth.
I think state rights and their formation as a republic is the source of almost all their problems. It is why they have such an undemocratic body in the senate. It is why their voting is not fair or secure. It is why the keep getting presidents most of the country didn't vote for which is in turn why their supreme court is totally out of line with their population. They compromised with the south when they formed the country which led to the civil war, then they couldn't complete reconstruction because of state rights.
Posted by: Hepcat
Chup, really appreciate reading your words of rationality. All the time here, but especially now. My stomach is knotted up thinking about those murdered children. And the children who wintessed the murders, and the parents. I have children around this age. My God, I don't know how those parents are going to go on.
The people that enabled and continue to enable this are perpetuating evil, nothing else.
I swear I'm going to slap the next person I hear spout off with the right wing more guns rhetoric.
The parents are broken, for the rest of their lives, as we all can hopefully understand.
I am truly speechless and can not understand the stupidity coming from Ted Cruz who is just one example.
I really so not understand the level of propaganda and brain washing that people went theough who really think that arming teachers is a great idea. It probably takes some more mass shootings and victims among the supporters to finally change the current.
The NRA's lobbying has been going on for decades and the fruits are a nation where (if I may generalize) women are most of the time not allowed to have an abortion (because pro life) and teenagers are not allowed to have a beer but a gun. Not to mention racism and police brutality.
It has been 23 years since Columbine? Nothing has changed, in 23 years.
Posted by: chupacabra
Posted by: syncro
Yup, having different regulations from state to state or even city to city means the problem has to be addressed on a national level. The problem with the US political system is that it only takes one state to prevent it. Having states set their own gun regs makes as much sense as having peeing and no peeing sections in a swimming pool, eventually everyone gets tainted by someone else's filth.
I think state rights and their formation as a republic is the source of almost all their problems. It is why they have such an undemocratic body in the senate. It is why their voting is not fair or secure. It is why the keep getting presidents most of the country didn't vote for which is in turn why their supreme court is totally out of line with their population. They compromised with the south when they formed the country which led to the civil war, then they couldn't complete reconstruction because of state rights.
It's somewhat similar to the Quebec issue.
Have most people become desensitized to violence, including gun violence, unless it happens on a horrific scale? Why is society seemingly okay with so much violence? One thing I've learned out of this that was quite surprising is that there have been 27 shootings at US schools so far this year.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01
Yeah, on a personal level I have to tune it out since it really doesn't affect me directly and there's literally nothing I can do to change anything.
Posted by: syncro
Have most people become desensitized to violence, including gun violence, unless it happens on a horrific scale? Why is society seemingly okay with so much violence? One thing I've learned out of this that was quite surprising is that there have been 27 shootings at US schools so far this year.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01
The desensitizing is terrible and I think it's only happening when it involves the US. Anywhere else in the world and it's a shock. In the US it's "huh, another one."
Came across this one via a local news website and thought I share it.
It basically states that as a child in the US, it is currently more likely to die from gun violence than cancer, a car accident or drug abuse.
We will do something.
But not soon enough to stop this one.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/1-dead-7-injured-shooting-oklahoma-holiday-festival-rcna31069
Or this one.
No wonder we stopped travelling south of the border.
On my way home from work today, I was wondering about two things:
1. When did that current gun craziness start? Is there a kind of fixed time frame, say after which event, or political decade? In itself, the idea of having a weapon in your homestead/farm is not that bad...in the 18th and early 19th century.
2. Did the Republican party start its way into what it is now with Ronald Reagan, or earlier? Odd if you think that Lincoln was a Rep.
Posted by: Mic
On my way home from work today, I was wondering about two things:
1. When did that current gun craziness start? Is there a kind of fixed time frame, say after which event, or political decade? In itself, the idea of having a weapon in your homestead/farm is not that bad...in the 18th and early 19th century.
2. Did the Republican party start its way into what it is now with Ronald Reagan, or earlier? Odd if you think that Lincoln was a Rep.
Pretty much day one.
lol, that's when school shootings started.
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right to keep and bear arms. It was ratified on December 15, 1791
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Posted by: Mic
1. When did that current gun craziness start? Is there a kind of fixed time frame, say after which event, or political decade?
Thinking about the not so distant history of the US, multiple generations have grown up during, and in the aftermath, of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, and Afghanistan. So, lots of people with hands on experience with with guns, and many families where guns were just another thing that you had in the house, whether living in the country or the city.
I think that must play some part in all of it as well.
Posted by: PaulB
Posted by: Mic
1. When did that current gun craziness start? Is there a kind of fixed time frame, say after which event, or political decade?
Thinking about the not so distant history of the US, multiple generations have grown up during, and in the aftermath, of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, and Afghanistan. So, lots of people with hands on experience with with guns, and many families where guns were just another thing that you had in the house, whether living in the country or the city.
I think that must play some part in all of it as well.
Yes, as does the simple fact of this whole frontier image, but somehow I can not remember that gun violence was so rampant before the turn of the century, or it was and our digital age has changed the overall perspective and broadcast.
The cartoon from Bowling for Columbine, so on point.
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