http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
Right… might want to rethink that sign.
Am I the only one that thought this day of action was a crock after everything they are already getting from the governments on all levels?
Discuss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
Right… might want to rethink that sign.
Am I the only one that thought this day of action was a crock after everything they are already getting from the governments on all levels?
Discuss.
The trouble is that although a shed load of money is being shoveled towards First Nations, in most instances the money only goes to a few individuals and the majority remain impoverished and genuinely hard up. The white man (sorry the non-First Nation persons) did not invent nepotism and corruption.
Please let me demonstrate the ride around; really it's no trouble.
classy touch using wiki to prove your point.
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I wouldn't call it a crock, but there's some give and take for sure.
The gov't has been irresponsible with the money it gave to 1st nations in past. That irresponsibility was handing it to them, hoping they'd go away, and letting them decide what to do with it. Now this is how the bands wanted it done, but unfortunately they learned from the white man way too well - in a lot of cases the chiefs and their families live in mansions with nice cars, while a block away there's no running water - never mind doors or windows in the houses (don't tell me I'm making it up, seen it on the news and in the paper quite a few times)
Part of the funding should include a committee made up of both the band members and municipal planners from a nearby community to develop the reservations. If these people want long term solutions then don't just ask for money, ask for the proper resources to help fix the problem. Maybe not an easy solution, but if you wnt to fix it then it'll take time, expertise and money.
no it is not a crock. certainly there are people amongst the first nations who are going about protesting in a manner akin to our own very anti olympic protestors that is inappropriate. That being said CBC did an interesting series of interviews a couple of weeks ago with First Nation leaders from across Canada. It was very enlightening and interesting to see and hear the different viewpoints from across the country as each region has different issues and goals.
There are serveral self governing FN communites across Canada which are flourishing and succeeding, i can't remember all of them but I do have a personal connection to one of them. My older brother is an RCMP officer who works as the liason between the RCMP and the Loius Bull Reserve and its own police force of FN' s peoples just outside of Wetaskiwin. The Louis Bull is one of the few "dry' reserves in Alberta let alone Canada and is an amazing success story of a First Nations band taking care of itself.
a large part of the billions (5.5 per year) that goes thru the dept of indian affairs stays there. most of the money gets mired in bureaucracy instead of landing on the ground where it's needed. the way the money is handled is simply ridiculous, as the majority of the people benefittting are those with gov't jobs.
We don't know what our limits are, so to start something with the idea of being limited actually ends up limiting us.
Ellen Langer
no it is not a crock. certainly there are people amongst the first nations who are going about protesting in a manner akin to our own very anti olympic protestors that is inappropriate. That being said CBC did an interesting series of interviews a couple of weeks ago with First Nation leaders from across Canada. It was very enlightening and interesting to see and hear the different viewpoints from across the country as each region has different issues and goals.
There are serveral self governing FN communites across Canada which are flourishing and succeeding, i can't remember all of them but I do have a personal connection to one of them. My older brother is an RCMP officer who works as the liason between the RCMP and the Loius Bull Reserve and its own police force of FN' s peoples just outside of Wetaskiwin. The Louis Bull is one of the few "dry' reserves in Alberta let alone Canada and is an amazing success story of a First Nations band taking care of itself.
It's only a small percent of the bands that are doing well.
I find it interesting how eveyone is ignoring a certain early twenties Aboriginal writer. Shite, I can't recall his name.
Basically he took the time and researched the problems and such of the Aboriginals. He supposedly got blacklisted for it. Apparently based on his research roughly 70[HTML_REMOVED]#37; of the problems the Aboriginals have only themselves to blame for. And the only way to resolve them is for the Aboriginals themselves to do it. And to stop waiting for Taxpayer hand outs.
classy touch using wiki to prove your point.
Gw! I made a fairly controversial statement and the best you could come up with was that my source for a definition could potentially lack credability? Dude you can do better haha.
It was the first thing that came up in google, any others will give you the same result.
I just find some of the ways in which they attempt to get their point across ineffective.
But, perhaps they are just getting frustrated at the lack of results, and words like genocide get press (maybe the only reason I saw this photo)
knocking wiki is my new thing. it still has a few good weeks left in it
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I just find some of the ways in which they attempt to get their point across ineffective.
But, perhaps they are just getting frustrated at the lack of results, and words like genocide get press (maybe the only reason I saw this photo)
i agree that their methods aren't gaining them any points. And yes, they are frustrated and have been for decades.
They would do well to take what i saw on CBC a couple of weeks ago and use it as a tool to show that there are small successes at self government amongst themselves, promote these success, and engage people positively and they might then feel less frustrated and see better results in garnering support for thier cause.
But, perhaps they are just getting frustrated at the lack of results, and words like genocide get press (maybe the only reason I saw this photo)
Actually, genocide is the correct word to use. If you look at the last part of the definition.." forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." this is exactly what was attempted with the residential school system in Canada. Aboriginal children were forcibly taken from their parents and transfered to another group (Europeans) against their wishes.
Another example…"an important example of the argument for applying the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (UNGC) to activities other than killing is the Australian debate around the 'stolen generations', those Aboriginal people who were removed from their families in the course of the twentieth century. Two key focal points of this debate are the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commissions (HREOC) 1997 report on the history of the removal of indigenous children from their families, Bringing them Home (BTH), and the High Court Kruger case. (2) The argument put in both contexts was that the removal of Aboriginal children from their families constituted acts defined as genocide by Article II of the Convention, 'acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group', including '(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group'."
"Just ass kicking that kicks ass that, while said ass is getting kicked, is kicking yet more ass that
I find it interesting how eveyone is ignoring a certain early twenties Aboriginal writer. Shite, I can't recall his name.
Basically he took the time and researched the problems and such of the Aboriginals. He supposedly got blacklisted for it. Apparently based on his research roughly 70[HTML_REMOVED]#37; of the problems the Aboriginals have only themselves to blame for. And the only way to resolve them is for the Aboriginals themselves to do it. And to stop waiting for Taxpayer hand outs.
You got your "facts" mixed up, I believe you meant to say….
"I find it interesting how everyone is ignoring a certain early twenties European writer. Shite, I can't recall his name. Basically he took the time and researched the problems and such of Aboriginals. He supposedly got blacklisted for it. Apparently based on his research roughly 70% of the problems the Aboriginals have only the Europeans to blame for. And the only way to resolve them is for the Aboriginals themselves to do it. And to stop waiting for Taxpayer hand outs."
I believe that is what the day of action is for. To raise awareness among Aboriginal people, to have a renewed sense of agency and volition, to realize that waiting for the governement to do something is a lost cause.
"Just ass kicking that kicks ass that, while said ass is getting kicked, is kicking yet more ass that
I wouldn't call it a crock, but there's some give and take for sure.
The gov't has been irresponsible with the money it gave to 1st nations in past. That irresponsibility was handing it to them, hoping they'd go away, and letting them decide what to do with it. Now this is how the bands wanted it done, but unfortunately they learned from the white man way too well - in a lot of cases the chiefs and their families live in mansions with nice cars, while a block away there's no running water - never mind doors or windows in the houses (don't tell me I'm making it up, seen it on the news and in the paper quite a few times)
Part of the funding should include a committee made up of both the band members and municipal planners from a nearby community to develop the reservations. If these people want long term solutions then don't just ask for money, ask for the proper resources to help fix the problem. Maybe not an easy solution, but if you wnt to fix it then it'll take time, expertise and money.
The unfortunate thing is that if a committe like this were created, there would be a lot of "quit sticking your noses in our business"-type reactions to it.
Actually, genocide is the correct word to use. If you look at the last part of the definition.." forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." this is exactly what was attempted with the residential school system in Canada. Aboriginal children were forcibly taken from their parents and transfered to another group (Europeans) against their wishes.
Another example…"an important example of the argument for applying the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (UNGC) to activities other than killing is the Australian debate around the 'stolen generations', those Aboriginal people who were removed from their families in the course of the twentieth century. Two key focal points of this debate are the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commissions (HREOC) 1997 report on the history of the removal of indigenous children from their families, Bringing them Home (BTH), and the High Court Kruger case. (2) The argument put in both contexts was that the removal of Aboriginal children from their families constituted acts defined as genocide by Article II of the Convention, 'acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group', including '(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group'."
I think he was referring not to the events of the past, but to the claim that the "fraudulent self-gov't policy" was an act of genocide, which I would say is a bit of a murky claim.
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