Small trucks

So the jrp said yes but with a bunch of "Buts" which is really just lip service to the process and a given … wtf else would you expect from harpers lackies?

SO what happens now is the real shit which is the court challenge from the Haisla, the Wetsuetin and the hardley heard from Gitga'at who actualy own ALL the lands/waters which enbridge want to run the super tankers thru

You can tell the Gitga'at that there will not be an oil spill but after they mobilized in the middle of the night to save passengers from the "Queen of the North" they know different

Did the queen of the north have a harbour pilot at the wheel and 2 tugs to help it along?

The fear mongering has to stop and folks need to be more honest about what they want, which is more money.

Its sad to see well earning but naive folks get suckered into putting "no pipeline" stickers on their belching 30 yr old Volvos because someone told them the sky will fall.

How many ships have made the trip toKitimmat over the past 50 years?

how many have sunk in Douglas channel?

the ships that have been sailing these waters are not the very large tankers they want to run and they were not filled with bitumen, in any case the court challenge is the next step

the haisla can make enough money allowing LNG in fact the money from LNG will likely go to fund the court challenge … the industry funding the court challenge against itself

edit : and further more in the event this goes thru do you actualy trust those fuckers to do the right thing??

I don't and nobody around here does SO the more hoops and hurdles that are put in front of enbridge to jump thru the more we grind them to do the right thing or preferably not at all the better, it is enbridge who want to make money off of us so fuck them …they can pay thru the nose

do you/did you just pay asking price for your house or truck or did you push back?

the ships that have been sailing these waters are not the very large tankers they want to run and they were not filled with bitumen, in any case the court challenge is the next step

the haisla can make enough money allowing LNG in fact the money from LNG will likely go to fund the court challenge … the industry funding the court challenge against itself

edit : and further more in the event this goes thru do you actualy trust those fuckers to do the right thing??

I don't and nobody around here does SO the more hoops and hurdles that are put in front of enbridge to jump thru the more we grind them to do the right thing or preferably not at all the better, it is enbridge who want to make money off of us so fuck them …they can pay thru the nose

do you/did you just pay asking price for your house or truck or did you push back?

Your last sentence confirms what this is about.

Selling feller bunchers [HTML_REMOVED] hoes may be what is driving your post but lots of people here abouts do not want enbridge period at any price

a lot of people are really dumb, also.

The fear mongering has to stop and folks need to be more honest about what they want, which is more money.

Its sad to see well earning but naive folks get suckered into putting "no pipeline" stickers on their belching 30 yr old Volvos because someone told them the sky will fall.

Well said.

Been driving an F150 Ecoboost work truck. It's decent on gas and accelerates faster than any pickup truck ought to. Also, has been totally reliable for 80K km. and counting.

I like how Ford didn't take a bailout.

Selling feller bunchers [HTML_REMOVED] hoes may be what is driving your post but lots of people here abouts do not want enbridge period at any price

not so much….I care about the big picture too.

The pipe is coming, our job is to see it done right. The douglas channel is a non issue,everyone knows that. Shipping aluminum out of kitimat is no less an enviro issue, but it happens a few times a week(bauxite also comes in fwiw) with no issue.

BTW,you mentioned the qotn.

did it ever sail into the "dangerous Douglas channel"?

not so much….I care about the big picture too.

tell us about the big picture for BC. how many long terms jobs in BC once the pipeline is built? what do we get again other than a massive long term risk?

not so much….I care about the big picture too.

The pipe is coming, our job is to see it done right. The douglas channel is a non issue,everyone knows that. Shipping aluminum out of kitimat is no less an enviro issue, but it happens a few times a week(bauxite also comes in fwiw) with no issue.

BTW,you mentioned the qotn.

did it ever sail into the "dangerous Douglas channel"?

right so enbridge basicly has been saying "this is what we are gona do and its the safest thing ever" and then a year later they say "now this is what we are gona do and its the safest thing ever" … wait a minute wasn't what you offered a year ago the safest thing?

So you have the oil industry which is supported by harper paying off his buddies by making it EASY, realisticaly Enbridge is not going to do any more than they are made to do

And you got the 1st nations who were never paid off in their land claims making it HARD as they can

royal dutch shell had tenure to do CBM up in iskut ,the Thaltan thru them out … it ain't over till the fat lady sings

yer now 400kms further west than you were its a whole different ball game, the town/provincial/federal politics is all left due in large part or completely because of the 1st nations who have the land claim

queen of the north was out at the end of the douglas channel a small ship/human error not the same as running 250 very large tankers per year full of bitumen

I need to buy a 5Ton truck next mth….wrong thread?

I want the new Ford Ranger…. Come on Ford!

Look, ive said in the past, im not FOR the pipeline,but know it's going wether you, me or baby jesus oppose it. All we can do is make sure it is done right and make a few bucks from it.

You can come and berate me at the rascal if you like.

right so enbridge basicly has been saying "this is what we are gona do and its the safest thing ever" and then a year later they say "now this is what we are gona do and its the safest thing ever" … wait a minute wasn't what you offered a year ago the safest thing?

So now you complain that they went back to the drawing board and improved their design?

One of my favorite quotes (which I sadly cannot remember the source, and I am paraphrasing here) is, "The most terrifying moment in my engineering career was when I realized that everything around me was designed by people as lost as I am."

Enbridge has a group of fairly smart people who are all human, who drank, partied, and fucked their way through 4 years of college. At the end, someone gave them a piece of paper that says others will listen to plans they draw up. They continued to draw up plans until they started to get a good idea of what works and what doesn't.

In the end, someone has to draw up the design based on the best they know, and present it to a group of their superiors who improve / change it with the best they know. Then, in a fairly short amount of time, it is presented to the board, who is told it is the best they can come up with and is economically viable. They vote to go for it, and suddenly some 23 year old's design is being presented to the world.

Give it a few years. Maybe technology has improved. Maybe half way through a 12 pack a new idea was drawn on the back of a napkin. Maybe someone went to a conference and saw an exciting new idea. There are a thousand maybes as to why that smart group of people wanted to change something, but in the end it is probably done because it is a good idea.

Yet this get vilified? What if they had stuck with their original design and a few years down the road something happens and you find out that in fact, they wanted to change it but they had already presented plan A (which is actually about plan T by the time it goes through the gauntlet), and some bleeding heart would be worried that they changed their plans.

RIP the Small Trucks thread.

The small truck IS actualy dead in NA and the reason is nobody bought them

if you can stop thinking and feeling how wonderful a small diesel truck would be long enough to goggle some sales figures you could see for yourslef that small truck sales peaked [HTML_REMOVED] 10 years ago … no mfger can make/sell what nobody wants to buy for very long

the pipeline thing is right on track and VERY far from done