Posted by: tungsten
Your frothing is funny chup, please don't be duped by yanke centric media .
https://fair.org/home/what-you-should-really-know-about-ukraine/
“Europe needs to build a collective security order on our continent. Our continent’s security requires a strategic reinforcement of our Europe as a power of peace, a balancing power, particularly in its dialogue with Russia. I have been advocating this dialogue for several years. It is not optional, for our history and our geography are stubborn, both for ourselves and for Russia. For security in our continent, which is indivisible. We need this dialogue…. What we need to build is a European order founded on principles and rules to which we have committed, and which we established not against or without Russia, but with Russia.” - French President Emmanuel Macron
"Not only will we not send the military, but if there is an escalation, we will recall every last Croatian military man. This has nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia, it has to do with the dynamics of American domestic politics." - Croatian President Zoran Milosvic
"Russian Armed Forces have not formed a strike force that would suggest that they will go on an offensive tomorrow. As of today, there is no such threat." - Ukraine Defense Minister Aleksey Resnikov
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early?fbclid=IwAR207UiKV7GubvPfl99TN-I-rVN1OsWRjPLXHUMCskfr_eWMmsHuywMPwYc
https://transatlanticrelations.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/19-Palazhchenko.pdf
Duped? After all these years you still think I form my opinion by watching CNN? C'mon man, I haven't even had cable since 2015. You didn't answer my one and only question and this is all you have?
The map shows NATO expanding, but what it doesn't show is that those are all willing countries that wanted to join NATO. Do you think I should look at it like some timeline of invasion? To me it looks like a map of countries getting their shit together. Russia on the other hand has actually invaded Ukraine and is posturing as though they intend to do it again. They don't want to help Ukraine, they want a human shield. IMO it's time to freeze the assets of the oligarchs.
So again, why should I give a shit where Putin thinks Western bases ought to be? Do the unthinkable and use your own brain to answer a simple question.
The democratic system of government enjoyed by NATO members is the better system for everyone living under it... full stop. Countries will keep joining us because the Russian alternative is dog shit and everyone knows it. China is losing their shit for the exact same reason. They don't like the fact that all their neighbors would rather have fast internet and food on the store shelves over a cult of the emperor.