+ Biden’s own CIA director, career diplomat and Russia hand William Burns, has long argued that NATO expansion, especially with regard to Ukraine, is a provocative miscalculation that will enrage Russia and exacerbate tensions across eastern Europe. In a 2008 memo to Condoleeza Rice, then Bush’s Secretary of State, Burns wrote:
“Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”
https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/bidens-cia-director-doesnt-believe
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Posted by: tungsten
+ Biden’s own CIA director, career diplomat and Russia hand William Burns, has long argued that NATO expansion, especially with regard to Ukraine, is a provocative miscalculation that will enrage Russia and exacerbate tensions across eastern Europe. In a 2008 memo to Condoleeza Rice, then Bush’s Secretary of State, Burns wrote:
“Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”
https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/bidens-cia-director-doesnt-believe
And you will sit by in glee as innocents are murdered.
Posted by: tungsten
Canada loves Nazis. Are you a Nazi?
https://breachmedia.ca/canadas-long-road-to-the-front-line-of-ukraine-crisis/
For posterity.^^^
Plus.... The Resurgence of Nazism in Ukraine - CounterPunch.org
Edward Snowden on Twitter: "There is nothing more grotesque than a media pushing for war." / Twitter
Ukraine: As the media war peaks, now comes the moment of truth | Middle East Eye
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Oh well, West-European states recommend their citizens to leave Ukraine within the next days. I am worried, and I have no idea how it will end once shots have been fired.
I honestly do not understand why Russia would want to invade Ukraine, but then....I do not really understand war as a "continuation of politics with other means", as Clausewitz pointedly commented all those years ago, anyways.
We get it Tungsten. Russia is Ukraine's abusive ex and we should listen and obey when Russia says if they can't have her nobody can. And of course if we take Ukraine out for coffee we are Nazis that are just asking for war. Did I miss anything?
The article you posted is awesome as usual. I love the logic. Western Media made up the Russian threat from whole cloth at the end of last year but didn't realize that the military build up was just Putin doing Putin things out of his deep love for Ukraine but now that they have been name calling Russia on the news and being imperialist meanies Putin actually does want to invade and that is of course the media's fault for making him do it.
I would like to know historically of another occasion when a nation amassed an invasion force on the border of an enemy nation but the fault for any upcoming conflict was laid at the feet of the media of a third nation thousands of miles away.
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Think Russia will invade? Biden won't shut the hell up about it. Think Putin and co. really don't like the Ukraine joining NATO idea, and is just a show to get attention on the subject.
Biden is sure milking this one....
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The odds have certainly increased. I used to think it was unlikely but a lot of people that didn't think it was likely before don't sound too sure anymore. I like Ian Bremmer when it comes to world geopolitics and he sounds less certain than he did a couple of days ago.
aaaaaand they are invading
About time. Those amerikan/Canadian enabled nazis have been off-leash long enough.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/21/putin-recognizes-donbass-independence-as-violence-soars/
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Posted by: chupacabra
I would like to know historically of another occasion when a nation amassed an invasion force on the border of an enemy nation but the fault for any upcoming conflict was laid at the feet of the media of a third nation thousands of miles away.
You think? Link pretty pictures above^^^
What is curiously lacking in Western media reports of events in Donbass is any mention of the size of Ukraine government forces along the line of confrontation. U.S. and European newspapers and television repeatedly show detailed maps of Russian forces near the Ukrainian border but never show any Ukrainian military positions. It’s like setting up a chess board with only black pieces.
Understanding the size of the government deployment is key in helping to determine if an offensive has begun. Not mentioning it at all suspiciously appears as if an offensive is being covered up.
Last Thursday, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Vershinin told the U.N. Security Council that 122,000 Ukrainian military forces were lined up at the front with Donbass with the possible intention of launching an offensive. It is a number difficult to verify. (There also unknown numbers of neo-Nazi groups, such as Azov Battalion and Right Sektor reportedly at the border.)
^^ so you’re trying to suggest that the Ukrainian’s are causing a Russian invasion of Ukraine by having military positions in their country?
And here I thought the convoy people were out to lunch.
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Posted by: Couch_Surfer
^^ so you’re trying to suggest that the Ukrainian’s are causing a Russian invasion of Ukraine by having military positions in their country?
And here I thought the convoy people were out to lunch.
Haha I started reading that and had the same thought.. I didn't finish reading
First Stalin ravaged Ukraine in the 30s, and now Putin is going to try and do the same because he says Russia built Ukraine. Unbelievable.
This is the future, and, for you morons, required reading.
https://thescrum.substack.com/p/the-world-just-turned?utm_source=url
Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on the International Relations Entering a New Era and the Global Sustainable Development
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