Anybody else watching Winter On Fire?
Russia
Up until a few minutes ago I did not know that it existed.
I'd be curious to see what tungsten thinks of it.
Posted by: syncro
Anybody else watching Winter On Fire?
Not yet, but it looks very interesting.
Posted by: syncro
I'd be curious to see what tungsten thinks of it.
I don't think he has watched it nyet. ;)
Posted by: chupacabra
Posted by: syncro
I'd be curious to see what tungsten thinks of it.
I don't think he has watched it nyet. ;)
It’s not streaming on RT.
The 2 part backgrounder from CBC Front Burner on Ukraine and Putin (history in conflict) was an interesting listen this weekend. Was wild to think back to Putin visiting GB's ranch in the early 2000s and hear the bullet points on how he slid to this point now.
As was Dan Carlin's (Dan Carlin's Hardcore History ) common sense episode, who also takes a long view lensing in with a history background on the subject.
https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-323-gas-up-the-cold-war/
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Russia: Ukrainian civilians evacuating the country can have safe passage on this specific route.
Also Russia: The route is mined.
https://www.newsweek.com/evacuation-route-offered-fleeing-ukrainians-mined-1685418
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Posted by: syncro
Anybody else watching Winter On Fire?
Freedom and Human Dignity.
Posted by: syncro
Anybody else watching Winter On Fire?
Watched it last night. Horrific, brutal but also beautiful and awe inspiring.
When all the church bells started ringing at once. Holy shit.
Posted by: Fast-Orange
Posted by: syncro
Anybody else watching Winter On Fire?
Watched it last night. Horrific, brutal but also beautiful and awe inspiring.
When all the church bells started ringing at once. Holy shit.
The flipside is Ukraine on Fire by Oliver Stone.
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It's important to watch both.
And finally, from a respected prof on International Relations there's this from 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
EDIT: pay particular attention to Mearsheimer's response to the question posed at 1:09 and consider his answer in relevance to the two "Fire" docs and some of the reasoning being put forward by Putin and tungsten.
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Posted by: Endurimil
So may have missed if it was mentioned but it should be noted that Belarus and Ukraine are two of the three founding members of the USSR a hundred years ago this December. December 1922 was when the Ukraine SR and Belarus SR joined the Russian SR to create the USSR.
I think Russia might have had a bit of a hand in the Ukraine joining. Check the history.
Agreed earlier. But today realized that there is another factor I believe that is reason for the strong Ukranian resistance. 90 years ago began the Holomodor Famine that killed 4-7 million Ukranians. With many decisions made by Russia that made it worse by punishing Ukranians who where starving for stealing food and so on. President Zalenky's grandfather who fought against the Nazis and survived had to survive that first.
Posted by: syncro
And finally, from a respected prof on International Relations there's this from 2015
EDIT: pay particular attention to Mearsheimer's response to the question posed at 1:09 and consider his answer in relevance to the two "Fire" docs and some of the reasoning being put forward by Putin and tungsten.
This is a good watch. For some reason it is always suggested to me. He is not wrong but his overall take on the world leaves me scratching my head. He never once addresses Ukraine as though it is anything but a pawn and therefore looks at the West as being at fault for not appeasing Russia sooner in the big game of geopolitics. The idea that Ukraine should be able to choose their destiny never comes up. He also says that Putin is far too smart to try and overtake all of Ukraine so I think he made the mistake a lot of people did in thinking Putin was only worried about NATO and didn't have greater ambitions to reclaim Russian glory. Since that is the crux of the whole lecture (Putin just wants NATO out of his zone) I think his premise is flawed, but he covers a lot of interesting history.
This is the theory much of Tungsten's favourite writers adhere to as well. He believes that if we just hold the line on the post WW2 balance of power that Russia (and I guess China) will be happy playing in their own sandbox. To him, pushing democracy around the world is a mistake and we should let them have their authoritarian spheres of influence. This video covers this in more detail.
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