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Retarded tinfoil hats part deux

May 2, 2012, 2:20 p.m.
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I'm out of the loop on energy prices nere - but back home the pricing structure is around 45c/kwh peak, 18c/kwh shoulder and 10c/kwh off peak. That's a real incentive to work out how to move power consumtion out of peak times.

Cheers Ben

May 2, 2012, 2:28 p.m.
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And how will that work if you do not have a smart meter since you can opt out?

You'll pay an ever increasing surcharge is my guess.

May 2, 2012, 3:11 p.m.
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Oh come now … is that what you call "name calling"?

I say it's calling it as I see it. Arguments con are flimsy, ill-informed and amount to nothing more than "I don't like change". Arguments pro are multitudinal, based on real science and economics, and show a path forward to better service and planning.

Kn.

pompous, self important, self righteous, hot air bag..

you are right its not name calling if it has a definition…

May 2, 2012, 3:56 p.m.
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And how will that work if you do not have a smart meter since you can opt out?

if I were in charge…

you would pay the higher rate for all your usage.

..plus a penalty for being stupid.

Is there a Vancouver in Taiwan?! I had no idea!!

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May 2, 2012, 4:06 p.m.
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Do some research, they emit way more than that. You obviously believe BC Hydro and that is fine. It is costing 1 billion dollars for this, and because we are hit with a certain level of radiation it does not mean more is a good thing…more people today know more people with cancer and other problems, if you choose to think that more RF is good for us then put up a cell tower on your lawn and live under a power line. I personally don't think it is a good thing and glad they are moving towards letting us have a say and or choose to opt out.

It may be a waste to you but not to many people.

haven't read the rest of the thread, but honestly if you want to stir the pot about the 1 billion dollars being spent, that ship has sailed. The money has been spent, by putting up a huge resistance movement now you're only going to make this use up more money.

In my opinion any address that has a cellphone linked to it shouldn't get a say. And to the weirdo's that refuse to change, you should be allowed to opt out as long as it's in your contract that you will cover the cost differential to have a personal meter maid come as apposed to the long term costs of a smartmeter.

May 2, 2012, 4:29 p.m.
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I'm out of the loop on energy prices nere - but back home the pricing structure is around 45c/kwh peak, 18c/kwh shoulder and 10c/kwh off peak. That's a real incentive to work out how to move power consumtion out of peak times.

Cheers Ben

BC residential rates are 6.80 c/kwh if you are under 1350kwh/2 months [HTML_REMOVED] 10.19 c/kwkh for the portion above.

https://www.bchydro.com/youraccount/content/residential_rates.jsp

Manitoba Hydro has a good comparison of rates across Canada:

http://www.hydro.mb.ca/regulatory_affairs/energy_rates/electricity/utility_rate_comp.shtml

Here are a couple of residential graphs from the page above:

May 2, 2012, 5:28 p.m.
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BC residential rates are 6.80 c/kwh if you are under 1350kwh/2 months [HTML_REMOVED] 10.19 c/kwkh for the portion above.

https://www.bchydro.com/youraccount/content/residential_rates.jsp

Manitoba Hydro has a good comparison of rates across Canada:

http://www.hydro.mb.ca/regulatory_affairs/energy_rates/electricity/utility_rate_comp.shtml

Are useful facts allowed on NBR? :???:

We just installed a heat pump to switch consumption from gas to hydro. The higher rate makes me wonder if BC Hydro encourages reducing greenhouse gases.

May 2, 2012, 6:06 p.m.
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If it's any consolation, a ductless split type air conditioning unit is just about the most efficient thing you can get in the 1 to 2 ton class (12000 to 24000BTU/h). Small window box ACs might have a SEER rating of 10.5 to 11.5, the best Samsung and LG split ductless heatpump units can have a SEER nearly double that.

The ones with electric coils for heating, in electric heating mode, are of course perfectly efficient. 2000W of heat is 2000W thermal whether it's a bunch of high-end gaming PCs in a room or a resistive space heater.

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May 2, 2012, 6:58 p.m.
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BC residential rates are 6.80 c/kwh if you are under 1350kwh/2 months [HTML_REMOVED] 10.19 c/kwkh for the portion above.

https://www.bchydro.com/youraccount/content/residential_rates.jsp

Manitoba Hydro has a good comparison of rates across Canada:

http://www.hydro.mb.ca/regulatory_affairs/energy_rates/electricity/utility_rate_comp.shtml

Here are a couple of residential graphs from the page above:

Wow I've got to say that Englehart, ON on that chart is baffling to me. It's just North of where I grew up and I think has a population of less than 2000? That's just odd.

Also it's a good thing my parents paid hydro growing up and not me.

May 2, 2012, 7:24 p.m.
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ftr i dont really care one way or another aside from the loss of jobs and there is some money to follow…

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/08/09/SmartMeterSkeptic/

i just like stickn it to the man so i put a sign on my house telln corex to peace out..

May 2, 2012, 8:10 p.m.
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Joined: Nov. 19, 2002

Wow I've got to say that Englehart, ON on that chart is baffling to me. It's just North of where I grew up and I think has a population of less than 2000? That's just odd.

Also it's a good thing my parents paid hydro growing up and not me.

Different types of generation have different cost per kWh. Also the farther you are located from the generation source the larger the transmission losses.

Supply Mix*: Ontario’s installed generation capacity includes:
Nuclear: 11,446 MW or 34%
Gas: 9,549 MW or 28%
Coal: 3,504 MW or 10%
Hydro: 7,947 MW or 23%
Wind: 1,512 MW or 4.4%
Other (wood waste, biogas, etc): 122 MW or 0.4%

*Generating resources as of January 31, 2012.

From:
http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/media/md_supply.asp

May 2, 2012, 8:19 p.m.
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In Quebec, the province owns the hydro company. The people their enjoy rates that are pretty much the best in the country, and they also get a yearly dividend of $2 billion.

We could have the same situation, but noooooooo, it's better for British Columbians if hydro is sold off to foreign investors.

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May 2, 2012, 8:42 p.m.
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Different types of generation have different cost per kWh. Also the farther you are located from the generation source the larger the transmission losses.

From:
http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/media/md_supply.asp

I just meant Englehart is way out of place in a chart with all the large urban centres (Even Kenora has 15k+ population). I guess I'm shocked at the prices too.

May 2, 2012, 8:49 p.m.
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(Even Kenora has 15k+ population).

Hmmm, the place has grown a bit since I lived there.

Kn.

When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.

When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion.

May 2, 2012, 9:27 p.m.
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Joined: June 4, 2008

ftr i dont really care one way or another aside from the loss of jobs and there is some money to follow…

Is it a net-loss in jobs you are concerned about? Or are you more worried for Sally and Johnny meter-reader because you know them individually?

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