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proportional rep vs FPTP

Oct. 27, 2018, 9:24 p.m.
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which one is better?

Oct. 27, 2018, 11:01 p.m.
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If you are partial to giving major political parties a large window to hone their particular brand of corruption (like money laundering), FPTP is the choice for you.

If you want some sort of shock collar placed on these sociopathic parties, PR.

Oct. 28, 2018, 8:22 a.m.
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FPTP is good for two party systems, we have a multi party system in BC so we should have PR. 

The real question is which form of PR? At the moment I'm leaning towards rural-urban as it seems to be the only option that allows us to cast a ranked ballot.

Oct. 28, 2018, 2:08 p.m.
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https://www.fairvote.ca/bc-pr-systems/

Oct. 29, 2018, 11:40 a.m.
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People have issues figuring out how to mark a ballot when they have to make only 1 choice, what will it be like when you have to mark 2nd and 3rd preferences for a ranked ballot? Make it any more complicated and people will just give up and not waste their time.  I'm not a fan of FPTP, but it is simple and easy to work with for the common voter.

Oct. 29, 2018, 12:24 p.m.
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https://thetyee.ca/Video/2018/10/22/PR-Explained-Video/

Oct. 29, 2018, 12:33 p.m.
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If people can't rank who they want to win I suggest we all just go back to fucking our cousins and elect a lifetime dictator.

Oct. 29, 2018, 1:11 p.m.
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Posted by: ReductiMat

If people can't rank who they want to win I suggest we all just go back to fucking our cousins and elect a lifetime dictator.

If there are people whose heads explode when faced with this challenge ... well, so be it.

Sometimes there needs to be some collateral damage for the greater good.

Oct. 29, 2018, 1:16 p.m.
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For MMP, scroll about 1/2 way down for a sample ballot --> https://elections.bc.ca/referendum/voting-systems/mixed-member-proportional-mmp/

DMP is even easier.  Single vote, just like FPTP --> https://elections.bc.ca/referendum/voting-systems/dual-member-proportional-dmp/

RUP is the only option using ranked ballots --> https://elections.bc.ca/referendum/voting-systems/rural-urban-proportional-rup/

Seriously, how fucking hard can it be?

I want to see someone defend the position that "this is too confusing for voters".  I mean with real data, not airy fairy bullshit.

If this is too confusing for voters, then we are populated with some significantly stupid humans.

Oct. 29, 2018, 4:04 p.m.
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Posted by: slider32

People have issues figuring out how to mark a ballot when they have to make only 1 choice, what will it be like when you have to mark 2nd and 3rd preferences for a ranked ballot? Make it any more complicated and people will just give up and not waste their time.  I'm not a fan of FPTP, but it is simple and easy to work with for the common voter.

This is exactly why I would support any party  who platform includes a significant revamp of our education system to include things like civics and critical thinking classes. There's no reason kids can't learn how our political system works and how to actually think and make a decision when faced with a problem that can't be solved by some memorized formula.

Oct. 29, 2018, 10:18 p.m.
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Can anyone explain why there's a 5% threshold to get a seat and how they came up with that number?

Oct. 30, 2018, 11:46 a.m.
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PR if you want an endless coalition of NDP/Green, FPTP if you don't.

Oct. 30, 2018, 12:16 p.m.
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Posted by: nouseforaname

PR if you want an endless coalition of NDP/Green, FPTP if you don't.

Indeed.

If you want stuff like this to happen, https://globalnews.ca/news/3999585/bc-liberal-asset-sale/ make sure you pick FPTP.

Our province simply has too much cash on hand and a coalition government stands no chance at wasting it like only a FPTP "majority that was elected with 30% of the vote could.

Oct. 30, 2018, 4:42 p.m.
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Posted by: AlanB

Can anyone explain why there's a 5% threshold to get a seat and how they came up with that number?

Probably so that the "Hitler Party of BC" doesn't actually get an elected seat.

Oct. 30, 2018, 7:34 p.m.
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Posted by: Endur-Bro

Posted by: AlanB

Can anyone explain why there's a 5% threshold to get a seat and how they came up with that number?

Probably so that the "Hitler Party of BC" doesn't actually get an elected seat.

Which is puzzling why that Telleman wonk is throwing his weight behind the "no" campaign.

Fucking traitor.


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