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Project NBR: Does the Red Bull Stratosphere Jump prove ... something?

July 27, 2019, 2:51 a.m.
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Ok, so that rotating atmosphere thread was just so that issue didnt cock this one up. I'll give Syncro a nod for mentioning the jet stream which leaves the claimed rotating speed of earth at 1,000km/h to help narrow down the fuckery of this one. Or perhaps its my infallible math.... Anyways,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_Stratos

Ascent was 2.5 hours long. We know 1 hour is roughly equivalent to 1 time zone or 1,000km since Earth has 24 time zones for a reason (I think?).

And he only landed 38 miles in the wrong direction of earth's rotation. Simpleton logic indicates he should've at least landed West from where he started to take off and probably in another state.

Discuss.

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 Last edited by: aShogunNamedMarcus on July 27, 2019, 2:53 a.m., edited 2 times in total.
July 27, 2019, 6:38 a.m.
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He landed a bit east of his launch location because he ascended in a helium balloon and was pushed in that direction by prevailing winds.  The jet stream was likely further north; if it was over his location he could have been pushed much further east and north/ south.

July 28, 2019, 12:52 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

He landed a bit east of his launch location because he ascended in a helium balloon and was pushed in that direction by prevailing winds.  The jet stream was likely further north; if it was over his location he could have been pushed much further east and north/ south.

You realize the head wind would have to equal earths claimed rotational speed and exceed it for him to land east? Or something to the extent.

I dont buy the "helluva head wind" reason.

July 28, 2019, 2:26 a.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

He landed a bit east of his launch location because he ascended in a helium balloon and was pushed in that direction by prevailing winds.  The jet stream was likely further north; if it was over his location he could have been pushed much further east and north/ south.

You realize the head wind would have to equal earths claimed rotational speed and exceed it for him to land east? Or something to the extent.

I dont buy the "helluva head wind" reason.

A regularly scheduled return flight from LA to Dallas has almost the exact same duration in both directions.   Explain how that is possible if the atmosphere doesn't move with the rotation of the earth...

July 29, 2019, 4:17 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

He landed a bit east of his launch location because he ascended in a helium balloon and was pushed in that direction by prevailing winds.  The jet stream was likely further north; if it was over his location he could have been pushed much further east and north/ south.

You realize the head wind would have to equal earths claimed rotational speed and exceed it for him to land east? Or something to the extent.

I dont buy the "helluva head wind" reason.

A regularly scheduled return flight from LA to Dallas has almost the exact same duration in both directions.   Explain how that is possible if the atmosphere doesn't move with the rotation of the earth...

Wrong thread bro. You also didnt object to any phrasing in the first post let alone ask what the "something" might be in the subject.

July 29, 2019, 9:42 a.m.
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I thought this thread would have more Red Bull and be more fun.

July 29, 2019, 10:11 a.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

He landed a bit east of his launch location because he ascended in a helium balloon and was pushed in that direction by prevailing winds.  The jet stream was likely further north; if it was over his location he could have been pushed much further east and north/ south.

You realize the head wind would have to equal earths claimed rotational speed and exceed it for him to land east? Or something to the extent.

I dont buy the "helluva head wind" reason.

A regularly scheduled return flight from LA to Dallas has almost the exact same duration in both directions.   Explain how that is possible if the atmosphere doesn't move with the rotation of the earth...

Wrong thread bro. You also didnt object to any phrasing in the first post let alone ask what the "something" might be in the subject.

First you say "discuss", then you get all pissy because you don't like the explanation of how things work...

July 30, 2019, 9:45 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

He landed a bit east of his launch location because he ascended in a helium balloon and was pushed in that direction by prevailing winds.  The jet stream was likely further north; if it was over his location he could have been pushed much further east and north/ south.

You realize the head wind would have to equal earths claimed rotational speed and exceed it for him to land east? Or something to the extent.

I dont buy the "helluva head wind" reason.

A regularly scheduled return flight from LA to Dallas has almost the exact same duration in both directions.   Explain how that is possible if the atmosphere doesn't move with the rotation of the earth...

Wrong thread bro. You also didnt object to any phrasing in the first post let alone ask what the "something" might be in the subject.

First you say "discuss", then you get all pissy because you don't like the explanation of how things work...

That was hardly being pissy about it let alone an adequate explanation.

July 30, 2019, 9:46 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

These must be the two most embarrassing threads I’ve seen on this forum.

So whats your answer then?

July 30, 2019, 9:52 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

What’s your question?

How did he manage to land east of where he lifted off given the numbers provided as fact.

July 30, 2019, 9:54 a.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

I thought this thread would have more Red Bull and be more fun.

You were a fan of Obama right?

Be the Hope n Change you want.

July 30, 2019, 10:15 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: tashi

What’s your question?

How did he manage to land east of where he lifted off given the numbers provided as fact.

Switch already answered this for you. 

Your rebuttal citing wind speed is incorrect.

How?

July 30, 2019, 10:41 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

The wind speed would NOT have to equal the earths rotation speed plus wind speed. 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/31/why-the-earths-rotation-does-not-affect-latitudinal-airplane-travel/amp/

You say wind speed but the link says earth's rotation.

Two different things.

July 30, 2019, 11:48 a.m.
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After more than 2 years in lurk mode, just had to chime in and mention that flat-earther/geocentrist bullshit is a new low point for NBR.

Having said that, if you would like an actual, ridiculously over simplified answer for your question: Yes, The atmosphere 'spins' with the planet, it's a fluid and "An object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless acted upon by an external force. " - Newton's First Law. We can measure the rotational speed of the earth using a Foucault pendulum or a ring laser gyroscope, it's accurate and repeatable. So the very fact we don't experience the violent '1000 mph winds' (at the equator) you're talking about IS confirmation of a 'spinning atmosphere'.

A more lengthy explanation involves inertial frames, fictitious forces, fluid dynamics (because the atmosphere is a fluid) and about a dozen other concepts which require a great deal more physics knowledge than I possess. For simple physics, we can treat the earth and it's surrounding atmosphere as an inertial frame, so the only thing we really need to account for in Baumgartner's jump is local wind conditions around his capsule as he ascended. So, he landed 38 miles away because as he ascended he experience, on average, a 15 mph wind.

Expressing the rotation of the Earth as speed can also be problematic, because how far north or south of the equator you are, and your elevation greatly effects that rate. (i.e Someone standing at the north or south pole would be travelling zero mph, while someone at the equator would be travelling 1000ish mph). Elevation is also a factor. So, expressing it as angular velocity or revolutions per minute makes more sense, the earth rotates at .000694 RPM, not 1000mph.

It should also be said that just because something can't be explained to a 'simpleton', doesn't mean that it's not true, it just means that the simpleton doesn't have the requisite knowledge to understand the explanation. Complex systems generally require complex explanations.

Any-who, back to lurk mode.


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July 30, 2019, 12:08 p.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: switch

He landed a bit east of his launch location because he ascended in a helium balloon and was pushed in that direction by prevailing winds.  The jet stream was likely further north; if it was over his location he could have been pushed much further east and north/ south.

You realize the head wind would have to equal earths claimed rotational speed and exceed it for him to land east? Or something to the extent.

I dont buy the "helluva head wind" reason.

A regularly scheduled return flight from LA to Dallas has almost the exact same duration in both directions.   Explain how that is possible if the atmosphere doesn't move with the rotation of the earth...

Wrong thread bro. You also didnt object to any phrasing in the first post let alone ask what the "something" might be in the subject.

First you say "discuss", then you get all pissy because you don't like the explanation of how things work...

That was hardly being pissy about it let alone an adequate explanation.

When you make statements like the one below, it's going top be impossible for anyone to provide you with an adequate explanation.

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

You realize the head wind would have to equal earths claimed rotational speed and exceed it for him to land east? Or something to the extent.

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