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March 23, 2020, 1:01 p.m.
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I heard Eeyuns in hiding over his involvement with this.

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

March 23, 2020, 1:17 p.m.
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China blames Italy for China Virus.

https://imgur.com/gallery/GMjRZFa

March 23, 2020, 1:19 p.m.
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Some more BS

https://imgur.com/gallery/gJY7GlR

How long until actual war?

March 25, 2020, 11:46 a.m.
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Is or did Spain walk back on quite a few causes of death by coronavirus/covid?

March 25, 2020, 11:47 a.m.
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I wonder if the majority of younger cases with their new glass like lungs are vapers?

March 28, 2020, 3:15 p.m.
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Came across this earlier today and thought it could fit here. Copy and pasted from the 5 *s.

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The following is from a medical forum. The writer, who is a widely respected professional scientist in the US, prefers to stay anonymous, because presenting any narrative different than the official one can cause you a lot of stress in the toxic environment caused by the scam which surrounds COVID-19 these days.

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I work in the healthcare field. Here’s the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.

This is why you’re hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That’s because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.

The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not the PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such). PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.

The problem is the test is known not to work.

It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analyzed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.

Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.

The New Coronavirus Outbreak, COVID-19, Sounds Menacing and Is

The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all. The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.

And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.

If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have. And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.

And coronavirus are incredibly common. A large percentage of the world human population will have covi DNA in them in small quantities even if they are perfectly well or sick with some other pathogen.

Do you see where this is going yet? If you want to create a totally false panic about a totally false pandemic – pick a coronavirus.

They are incredibly common and there’s tons of them. A very high percentage of people who have become sick by other means (flu, bacterial pneumonia, anything) will have a positive

PCR test for covi even if you’re doing them properly and ruling out contamination, simply because covis are so common.

There are hundreds of thousands of flu and pneumonia victims in hospitals throughout the world at any one time.

All you need to do is select the sickest of these in a single location – say Wuhan – administer PCR tests to them and claim anyone showing viral sequences similar to a coronavirus (which will inevitably be quite a few) is suffering from a ‘new’ disease.

Since you already selected the sickest flu cases a fairly high proportion of your sample will go on to die.

You can then say this ‘new’ virus has a CFR higher than the flu and use this to infuse more concern and do more tests which will of course produce more ‘cases’, which expands the testing, which produces yet more ‘cases’ and so on and so on.

Before long you have your ‘pandemic’, and all you have done is use a simple test kit trick to convert the worst flu and pneumonia cases into something new that doesn’t actually exist.

Now just run the same scam in other countries. Making sure to keep the fear message running high so that people will feel panicky and less able to think critically.

Your only problem is going to be that – due to the fact there is no actual new deadly pathogen but just regular sick people, you are mislabeling your case numbers, and especially your deaths, are going to be way too low for a real new deadly virus pandemic.

But you can stop people pointing this out in several ways.

1. You can claim this is just the beginning and more deaths are imminent. Use this as an excuse to quarantine everyone and then claim the quarantine prevented the expected millions of dead.

2. You can tell people that ‘minimizing’ the dangers is irresponsible and bully them into not talking about numbers.

3. You can talk crap about made up numbers hoping to blind people with pseudoscience.

4. You can start testing well people (who, of course, will also likely have shreds of coronavirus DNA in them) and thus inflate your ‘case figures’ with ‘asymptomatic carriers’ (you will of course have to spin that to sound deadly even though any virologist knows the more symptom-less cases you have the less deadly is your pathogen.

Take these 4 simple steps and you can have your own entirely manufactured pandemic up and running in weeks.

They can not “confirm” something for which there is no accurate test.

April 1, 2020, 11:36 a.m.
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So now the internet is saying the testing kits have both a 70% error rate while also being contaminated with sars2.

https://twitter.com/Inevitable_ET/status/1245322220479696896

April 4, 2020, 1:10 p.m.
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There are a whole bunch of rumors in the twitter verse about what the US lockdown is actually about. If anyone wants a hint:

@nhq1776

@TheCollectiveQ

April 4, 2020, 2:43 p.m.
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Sorry I tune out the minute someone lists patriot as the first thing they describe themselves as.

April 6, 2020, 5:45 p.m.
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Posted by: Adam-West

Sorry I tune out the minute someone lists patriot as the first thing they describe themselves as.

I (usually) dont let those impact things. The tweets were just indicating that those billionaire pedo's you spoke of could be missing their underground playtoys and adreno. Probably has something to do with the war on the cartels and all sorts of slave trafficking. The recent smaller earthquake swarms in the US are reportedly tunnel's and bunker's being caved in. Thought you might like that rabbit hole.

April 7, 2020, 9:05 a.m.
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Im not inclined to give any value to any literature that talks about bone formation as a part of a viral load:

'But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if a osteogenesis is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.'

The current test is also a quantitative RT-PCR.  As it is quantitative, it will tell you if a certain threshold of viral particles are present and is then deemed as +ve or -ve depending on if that threshold is reached.


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April 7, 2020, 11:08 a.m.
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Posted by: shoreboy

Im not inclined to give any value to any literature that talks about bone formation as a part of a viral load:

Which literature?

April 7, 2020, 11:32 a.m.
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The text you copy/pasted earlier.


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April 7, 2020, 1:29 p.m.
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Posted by: shoreboy

The text you copy/pasted earlier.

And I'll have to take your word for it. Other than the odd osteogenesis comment thought, it was accurate?

April 7, 2020, 2:42 p.m.
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Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

Posted by: shoreboy

The text you copy/pasted earlier.

And I'll have to take your word for it. Other than the odd osteogenesis comment thought, it was accurate?

Its not accurate in describing the basis for the tests. It says 'PCR' which is only partly true. The test employs a more advanced process called qRT-PCR which is a quantitative assay. Each assay is designed specifically for a unique sequence, so saying that it will give you results if 'any' coronavirus material is present should not be true. If the assay has been designed properly and a unique sequence can be found to base the assay upon, you should be able to get just the corona virus you are looking for.


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