Anybody else watching? I remember there was lots of chatter about season one when it was on.
We don't know what our limits are, so to start something with the idea of being limited actually ends up limiting us.
Ellen Langer
Anybody else watching? I remember there was lots of chatter about season one when it was on.
We don't know what our limits are, so to start something with the idea of being limited actually ends up limiting us.
Ellen Langer
The wife has been watching it and I have caught some if it. All I know is that if I ever go to jail for a crime I didn't commit I want that lawyer. She is straight up bad ass. So far everything she has tested looks good for Stephen Avery. The DNA evidence looks super shady.
Yeah, that lawyer is a shark and displays some amazing critical thinking skills. She makes Dassey's original lawyer look like he got his law degree out of a crackerjack box and even Avery's original lawyers and the prosecution teams come off looking incompetent over a number of things. I still find it amazing that the Dassey's "confession" was not thrown out from the get go. There are just so many inconsistencies in the evidence that I find it surprising this thing even made it to trial.
I tend to think this is all political going back to Avery's first rape and attempted convictions that got overturned and the resulting civil suit win which was then taken away due to the second murder charge. The money that would have to be put on the table now if this second murder conviction gets overturned would be HUGE and the state/courts are doubling down on keeping these guys locked up.
Her ability to hone in on relevant evidence was cool to watch. After the first season, I really thought Avery was set up, but that he could have also done it, just not the way they said. But I am about 99.9% convinced that Bobby Dassey did it now. She laid the story out so plainly and his computer full of deviant porn was shocking. When he changed his story from saying that he saw her leave to that he didn't once he knew that the cops were after Avery was very telling.
I hadn't realized the second season was out. I figured they were going to wait for more resolution on the two cases. After s1 wrapped, I was checking news articles every month or two just to see what kind of real time updates were going on.
The case that was made against the Dassey kid in s1 made me irate. Every single thing about that interrogation of that mentally challenged teen screamed "inadmissable", and the judge that allowed it as evidence in court is incompetent.
The case against Avery isn't nearly as clear. While I'll allow the possibility that he is guilty, the evidence against him was pretty shaky, and there's nothing I saw to discount that at least some evidence was planted (the keys in Avery's trailer, the blood in the car and the bits in the garage, in particular). It also maddened me how the investigator tried to brush off accusations of a flawed investigation by claiming that the alternative to their conclusion was that the police did the murder in order to frame Avery - as if that were the only other option. Clearly, a false dichotomy. More likely, the woman was murdered, and the police concluded it was Avery, and made sure that the evidence supported that conclusion. They may have had their reasons to believe it was Avery, and they certainly had reasons to want it to be Avery.
I'm no investigator, and I know that much of the series has been presented with some amount of bias, but I'd buy the older Dassey as perpetrator before the Avery as the murderer story.
Posted by: KenN
The case that was made against the Dassey kid in s1 made me irate. Every single thing about that interrogation of that mentally challenged teen screamed "inadmissable", and the judge that allowed it as evidence in court is incompetent.
Yeah, the situation with Brendan Dassey is a stain on the American Judicial system. The way they went after that kid is disgusting and anyone associated with that conviction needs to burn in a lake of fire - especially those two detectives. They had no physical evidence against him, just the obviously coerced confession. While Brendan got his conviction overturned by a Federal judge, the state has fought it at every step and won the appeal to have the Federal judge's decision overturned. I think at this point he may have exhausted all his options.
Posted by: KenN
They may have had their reasons to believe it was Avery, and they certainly had reasons to want it to be Avery.
One of the criticisms of S1 was that they made Avery out to be a boy scout when he had a history of domestic violence. It is most likely his history that landed him in the cop's sights, to begin with on the original charge. When Halbach's murder was discovered close to the Avery property, along with the shame of their fuck up and 26 million dollar settlement that they didn't have the money for the motive to make sure he went to jail for it was off the charts.
If you watch or listen to any amount of this type of true crime story with seemingly innocent people getting railroaded by cops in some podunk detachment it makes one appreciate the RCMP.
Posted by: chupacabra
One of the criticisms of S1 was that they made Avery out to be a boy scout when he had a history of domestic violence. It is most likely his history that landed him in the cop's sights, to begin with on the original charge. When Halbach's murder was discovered close to the Avery property, along with the shame of their fuck up and 26 million dollar settlement that they didn't have the money for the motive to make sure he went to jail for it was off the charts.
If you watch or listen to any amount of this type of true crime story with seemingly innocent people getting railroaded by cops in some podunk detachment it makes one appreciate the RCMP.
Yeah his history certainly doesn't lend to him being a nice guy and from that perspective one can understand why the police liked him for the murder of Teresa Halbach. While I think the interview of Dassey was horrible, it's also possible to see from that how easily coerced Dassey was and Avery may have convinced Dassey to get in on the crime with him. The problem I see however is the forensic evidence put together by the prosecution really seems staged, as bad as the Dassey coerced confession. Maybe these guys did do it, but by ignoring evidence, omitting exculpatory evidence from the defense and the generally shoddy police work the state set the table for this controversy. The state has some serious motive to put Avery away, but that's not how the justice system is supposed to work. You don't build a case to fit a suspect you have issues with, you investigate a case to find the right suspect. I figure the state truly believes they got the right guy, but the examination of their investigation leaves a lot of doubt as to whether they did. Considering how Avery was falsely convicted in the previous rape and attempted murder case, there should have been no loose ends left anywhere in the Halbach case.
Just for curiosity's sake I went back and watched the first few episodes of season 1. The mistakes and fakes that were made by investigators were even more glaring the second time around.
It is always tunnel vision by the cops for one reason or another that leads to sham convictions. I can see that happening from time to time, but in a lot of these cases, the cops ought to have known that they should go back to square one when the evidence is not lining up with their original theory. If they keep soldiering on with their theory at that point, they are just straight up corrupt and that is obvious here. When they told the coroner that she was not to be involved in the case it was pretty obvious they were up to no good.
This is a big problem with American justice because once they start picking apart these cases, usually in small towns, you find out how incestuous they are and how they all know each other from the deputies to the judges.
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