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Internet Billing changes March 1st...

Feb. 3, 2011, 11:41 a.m.
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Oh, and if 25GB isn't enough, get a plan that is enough.

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Feb. 3, 2011, 11:45 a.m.
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Most people could live with a cap, it's the two others that we have a problem with. The cap of 25GB is set far too low, and the cost for usage over the cap is abusively expensive. Fix those two things and you'd have WAY less opposition.

I agree. Sure they could set a cap with a reasonable cost for overage, like some reasonable number($0.25) or something/Gb, if that number we have seen for the cost is reasonable, [HTML_REMOVED]$0.01 per Gb for delivery.

Offering incentives if you are under would seem appropriate as well then.

did you guys hear about Shaw trying to poach all the Novus customers in '09?

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2009/28/c9216.html

"Shaw's $9.95 monthly cable package includes two rent-free high-definition set-top boxes with PVRs, more than 200 digital channels, more than 25 high-definition channels, a movie channel package and the first two months of service for free. The $9.95 Internet and phone packages also boast the first two months free and include several premium features."

Is there a Vancouver in Taiwan?! I had no idea!!

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Feb. 3, 2011, 11:50 a.m.
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does anybody out there have an unsecured wifi router?

you may not use all your bandwidth and figure this doesnt affect you but somebody else MIGHT cost you some $$ if you havent got your router secured

Feb. 3, 2011, 12:14 p.m.
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Offering incentives if you are under would seem appropriate as well then."

this. make it work both ways. not just in their favour. then it MIGHT possibly be fair.

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Feb. 3, 2011, 1:20 p.m.
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Paying for overages on top of a reasonable cap AND at a reasonable rate (i.e. 10 cents/G rather than $2.00/G) would be reasonable, but without any competition in the BC market, do you really expect reasonable?

Consequently, I'm not sure the presence or absence of UBB would make any difference in our market at the moment.

I'm hoping that the vehement and somewhat rabid response exhibited by a normally complacent population (me included) will make some of the providers sit up and take notice and curb some of their excesses in the future.

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Feb. 3, 2011, 1:21 p.m.
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this. make it work both ways. not just in their favour. then it MIGHT possibly be fair.

A simple solution would be to just charge a reasonable rate per GB and do away with caps and plans all together. I have heavy DL months and fairly light DL months, it would be nice to pay less on my light months and more on my heavy months. Instead of over-paying each month.

Instead of a 60GB plan with a penalty rate of $2/GB, why not do away with the $60 plan with a cap and charge $0.75 - $1/GB? Or at least be able to bank your unused bandwidth (i.e. if you pay for 60GB and you only use 20GB your next months cap should be 100GB)

Furthermore, I think that if ISPs plan on marking up their per GB cost by 200-300% they should forgo all federal infrastructure development funding that benefits them, until they do, they shouldn't have free range to gouge the public that pays for a healthy amount of their infrastructure with tax dollars.

Feb. 3, 2011, 2:09 p.m.
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from our friend Micheal. Sure, it's a form letter, but I sent him a form letter.

From: Michael Ignatieff [mailto:info@email.liberal.ca]
Sent: February 3, 2011 2:04 PM
To: me
Subject: RE: Stop Usage-Based Billing

It[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s another step towards an open and competitive internet in Canada, and it's thanks to you.
Late last night, news broke that Tony Clement will ask the Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) to reverse their decision on usage-based internet billing [HTML_REMOVED]#8211; a decision that allows internet service providers to impose download limits and new fees.
Our work is not yet done. We need to keep up the pressure until the CRTC[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s decision is reversed once and for all.
Canadian families and businesses need open, affordable, unlimited internet access. The future of our economy depends on it. The Conservative government should have known that from the start.
When messages like yours reached us this past weekend [HTML_REMOVED]#8211; on Twitter and Facebook, by email, phone and fax [HTML_REMOVED]#8211; my Liberal colleagues and I knew what we had to do.
On Tuesday morning, we sided with you against the CRTC[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s decision. By the end of the day, Liberal MPs on the Industry Committee had already begun an investigation. Then, yesterday, we kept the pressure on the Conservative government during Question Period in the House of Commons. At tonight[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s meeting of the Industry Committee, Liberal MPs will tell CRTC Chair Konrad von Finckenstein to reverse course.
This isn't the first time that you[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;ve stared down the Conservatives over an open internet [HTML_REMOVED]#8212; and that's why tens of thousands of you visited our action page at http://www.liberal.ca/ubb/, to join our digital policy email list and help carry the fight into Parliament.
This is your movement. You rallied on Twitter. You wrote emails and called Tony Clement[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s office. You made the difference.
We all know that there are wider issues at stake here. After five years of Stephen Harper, Canada still has no digital plan. The Conservatives[HTML_REMOVED]#8217; proposed copyright bill contains unfair digital lock provisions. Canadians are less connected and face higher internet costs than citizens of other OECD countries. And don[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;t even get me started on the long-form census.
Liberals have been engaged on these issues. In 2009, we worked with the Openmedia.ca / Save Our Net Coalition on Net Neutrality, a position that we support wholeheartedly. Last fall, we announced our Open Government Initiative, which will make government data accessible to all Canadians.
At the heart of our digital policy is a core Liberal value: we must make Canada more competitive and more innovative. That means expanding high-speed internet access to every region of the country, fair and equitable wholesale access, and transparent pricing.
We must build a digital strategy for Canada that embraces the energy, entrepreneurial spirit, and innovative creativity of consumers, businesses and digital influencers like you.
We'll keep the pressure on the Conservatives in Parliament to make sure they follow through and reverse the CRTC[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s decision on usage-based billing. This victory is just a taste of what we can accomplish, if we continue this fight together.
I hope you[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;ll join the Liberal Party's digital policy email list at http://www.liberal.ca/ubb/. Let[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s build a more open, more competitive future for Canada.
Thank you for being engaged.
Michael Ignatieff

Original Message -----------
Subject: Stop Usage-Based Billing
From: me
I call on Canadian decision makers to stop big telecom companies from forcing usage-based Internet billing on Canadians. Please stand up for consumer choice and competition in the Internet service market. I want affordable access to the Internet.

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Feb. 3, 2011, 2:20 p.m.
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I'm just tired of all the whiners who think they have some God given right to have everything for free and that someone else should pay for their free use. Start acting in a responsible manner and stop being a drain on society. I'm not going to subsidize your porn addiction.

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i think you are misunderstanding the problem

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Feb. 3, 2011, 3:03 p.m.
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Didn't wanna make a whole thread for this, but while we're on the topic…
I just moved into a new place, and I'm soon to buy a TV/internet bundle. I think I'm going to go with Telus Optik. Any thoughts?

Feb. 3, 2011, 3:12 p.m.
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Any thoughts?

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Feb. 3, 2011, 3:14 p.m.
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Didn't wanna make a whole thread for this, but while we're on the topic…
I just moved into a new place, and I'm soon to buy a TV/internet bundle. I think I'm going to go with Telus Optik. Any thoughts?

you dont have to make a new thread :)
http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=136810

Feb. 3, 2011, 3:30 p.m.
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Didn't wanna make a whole thread for this, but while we're on the topic…
I just moved into a new place, and I'm soon to buy a TV/internet bundle. I think I'm going to go with Telus Optik. Any thoughts?

Do it. Let us know how it goes.

It is easy to dodge our responsibilities, but we cannot dodge the consequences of dodging our responsibilities.
- Josiah Stamp

Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race.
- H.G. Wells

Feb. 3, 2011, 6:38 p.m.
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We pay for what we use on almost every front. This isn't any different.

It is totally different.

The CRTC was trying to FORCE companies to put these rules in to place. Telus ans shaw should be able to charge based on useage if they want (heck they've had it on the books for years) but someone else should be able to offer unlimited if they think they can better serve the market, no?

It is pretty tough to argue against.

Feb. 3, 2011, 6:58 p.m.
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I can't believe people are arguing for this. Read the facts before you post.

Feb. 3, 2011, 7:44 p.m.
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I can't believe people are arguing for this. Read the facts before you post.

word

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/gadgets-and-gear/hugh-thompson/what-is-a-fair-price-for-internet-service/article1890596/

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