Posted by: syncro
I didn’t ask what I asked where. There’s a lot of distorted history of Indigenous peoples in NA, and a lot of untold history as well.
Learned it from the xperts on the topic. My grandparents lived on mohawk territory, their freinds educated me.
Posted by: three-sheets
The point is, your romantic view of some relatioality and repricocity is bullshit created by some apologist native studies carreer students.
Lol romantic view? Nobody is more black pilled than me. We're all on a slow boat to hell and there's nothing we can do about it.
Maybe justifying and rationalizing enormous past atrocities as normal human behavior like you're doing will help us suffer less in the future but somehow I doubt it. I have no faith we're immune from a collective insanity a la 1930s weinmarr republic. Society is slowly unraveling before our eyes.
Posted by: Fast-Orange
Posted by: three-sheets
The point is, your romantic view of some relatioality and repricocity is bullshit created by some apologist native studies carreer students.
Lol romantic view? Nobody is more black pilled than me. We're all on a slow boat to hell and there's nothing we can do about it.
Maybe justifying and rationalizing enormous past atrocities as normal human behavior like you're doing will help us suffer less in the future but somehow I doubt it. I have no faith we're immune from a collective insanity a la 1930s weinmarr republic. Society is slowly unraveling before our eyes.
Not you bud...splinky
Maybe a better question is why does this bother you so much and why are you in such a hurry to throw Indigenous people under the bus? They weren’t the ones who purposely tried to eradicate (genocide) Europeans so they could steal their land and resources.
Posted by: three-sheets
The point is, your romantic view of some relatioality and repricocity is bullshit created by some apologist native studies carreer students.
It’s not a romantic view as you put it, nor are the concepts of Relationality and Reciprocity bs created by some apologist native studies career students. It’s time honored Indigenous knowledge passed on by Elders and shared across many different nations.
I think humanity has a long way to go before I want our borders gone. Meanwhile I like the idea of rekindling Canadian pride by taking our flag back from the convoytards. I also think the indigenous population needs to be respected and empowered. The once a year orange shirt isn’t enough. Finally if anyone calls the Toronto maple leafs Canada’s team they need a good throat punch.
Posted by: syncro
That would be taking an Indigenous Worldview where the concepts of Relationality and Reciprocity are of the utmost importance.
No way to know, but I wonder if the pre-Columbus (1492) Indigenous had borders, or if this is only a European's interpretation. Likely the latter, based on the author.
https://native-land.ca/deprecated-pages/old-about/
Posted by: XXX_er
Didn't John Lennon already write that song ?
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: heckler
Syncro, I don't see how borders are a Western Worldview. China fights over borders, Russia fights over borders, the Middle East fights over religious borders...
To explain that involves a somewhat large history lesson.
The Gospel of Luke starts with Joseph and a pregnant Mary in Galilee. They journey to Bethlehem in response to a census that the Roman emperor Caesar Augustus required for all the Jewish people. Since Joseph was a descendant of King David, Bethlehem was the hometown where he was required to register.
Yup, might have to go back several thousand years.
but hang on... Bethlehem is in the Middle EAST.
well shit, this is pretty cool.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/shape-of-the-world-ancient-maps/
A Babylonian clay tablet helped unlock an understanding for how our ancestors saw the world.
Dating all the way back to the 6th century BCE, the Imago Mundi is the oldest known world map, and it offers a unique glimpse into ancient perspectives on earth and the heavens.
It is worth mentioning that these ancient maps above are mostly coming from a European perspective.
That said, the Islamic Golden Age also boasts an impressive cartographic record, reaching its peak partially in thanks to Muhammad al-Idrisi in the 11th century. Similarly, Ancient Chinese empires had a cartographic golden age after the invention of the compass as well.
Posted by: heckler
No way to know, but I wonder if the pre-Columbus (1492) Indigenous had borders, or if this is only a European's interpretation. Likely the latter, based on the author.
They didn’t really have borders as we know it today, but they did have defined territories. They often had overlapping territories and with that came reciprocal land use agreements where one people could hunt on another peoples lands. This could be done over seasons or years, and yes it was considered highly disrespectful to not reciprocate a trade or hunting deal.
I think people in NA have a difficult time understanding Indigenous culture because it is radically different from the one they know. We know capitalism, individualism and land extraction activities whereas Indigenous people are much more collaborative and about fostering the environment for the benefit of future generations and as respect to past generations for passing the land (environment) on to them in a healthy manner.
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: heckler
No way to know, but I wonder if the pre-Columbus (1492) Indigenous had borders, or if this is only a European's interpretation. Likely the latter, based on the author.
They didn’t really have borders as we know it today, but they did have defined territories. They often had overlapping territories and with that came reciprocal land use agreements where one people could hunt on another peoples lands. This could be done over seasons or years, and yes it was considered highly disrespectful to not reciprocate a trade or hunting deal.
I think people in NA have a difficult time understanding Indigenous culture because it is radically different from the one they know. We know capitalism, individualism and land extraction activities whereas Indigenous people are much more collaborative and about fostering the environment for the benefit of future generations and as respect to past generations for passing the land (environment) on to them in a healthy manner.
Doesn't matter. They weren't 100% collectively free of violence so it was ok to conquer and genocide them. Or so I've been told.
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