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Has Canada created a northern Haiti?

April 6, 2011, 9:08 p.m.
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This, IMO, is the biggest problem when approaching and trying to understand "native" issues.

Southern white folks think that they need to be saved and developed.Groups from Alaska to Labrador were doing just fine until canada came along to save them.

Its humerous that you think they need a healthy economy to pay for institutions to stablize their society…..and that going back to the old way of life (that worked for thousands of years) would be a regression.

Sadly, Indian affairs thinks the same way you do.

I would say its humOrous that we agree to throw more money at the problem when money is clearly not the answer. After the millions of dollars and benefits that have been thrown into the pit haven't worked, maybe its time to take a step back and decide if its fair to make all canadians throw money down the well.

April 6, 2011, 9:16 p.m.
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and then we forced them to leave their nomadic lifestyle behind in favor of government built houses and buying eggs of us we had to fly into the north. and now were bitching that we still have to provide the eggs? maybe canada does not deserve the arctic ?

Greenpeace had a part in this. They went up there and tried to force the Inuit to stop ther whale hunting and such. Way to go Greenpeace… screw over a people who hunt whales as a food source. You fucktards failed to see the line that seperates hunting for food from commercial.

Still recall 97 visiting Tuktoyaktuk and seeing the Narwal in the village freezer. They basically cut it in half and stored the entire thing in it.

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April 6, 2011, 9:22 p.m.
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kevin m31 and enduramil,You're both sorrily mistaken.

In Cape Dorset, qallunaat first came in significant numbers around 1903, first bringing religion, then trading posts, then law enforcement and bureaucracy. The Hudson's Bay Company set up in 1913, soon drawing hundreds of Inuit into the fur trade. But in 1949, when prices plummeted for white-fox furs, the most coveted pelts, so did Inuit fortunes.

By the 1950s, RCMP officers at the sparse Cape Dorset settlement saw mass starvation setting in. People were eating dog food to stay alive. The Mounties radioed for a massive food airlift, and urged Inuit in far-flung seasonal camps to move to Cape Dorset, close to food and health care.

It was then, in the words of Mary Simon, president of the advocacy organization Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami, that “the colonization process evolved to the point where our people expected things to be given to them.” Expectations grew and grew, on federal assurances that life would be better when this nomadic hunting people instead settled in one place.

While the shift increased Inuit life expectancy from 35 in the early 1940s to 66 in the late 1980s, the transitional period sapped all manner of Inuit self-reliance, replacing it with shoddy government homes, abusive residential schools and social-assistance cheques. Generations since have been raised to sentimentalize the past and expect little of the future, a recipe for the cultural disorientation and undirected anger that breed violence.

For Ottawa, the relocation tidied up the North, sweeping a scattered population into pockets suitable for social assistance, health care and all the other stuff of Canadian governance. It also helped to satisfy four distinct quandaries: a series of court decisions beginning in the 1950s that ruled Canada was responsible for the welfare of its aboriginal peoples; a long-standing policy of assimilating aboriginal people into mainstream culture; a burgeoning desire to open the North to mining; and the need to solidify Canada's international claims to Arctic sovereignty.

Throughout the push into settlements, however, the federal government systematically excluded Inuit from decision-making roles. Their fates would be sealed in faraway offices, without consent or consultation.

I'll never understand why the Feds rounded them up into towns,but it's a legacy fed problem that requires a fed solution(the claims of the southern tribes are from a different context and time,and don't apply here,so don't bring that up)

Greenpeace really has no effect on local food fisheries an hunting

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April 7, 2011, 12:05 a.m.
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Greenpeace had a part in this. They went up there and tried to force the Inuit to stop ther whale hunting and such. Way to go Greenpeace… screw over a people who hunt whales as a food source. You fucktards failed to see the line that seperates hunting for food from commercial.

Huh? First of all (repeatedly) comparing the negative impacts the Federal government and its various racist policies has had on the Inuit and other aboriginal peoples in Canada to any potential impact GREENPEACE could have on them is absurd and insulting to the challenges aboriginal communities face as a result of western colonialism.
Second, prove it…I can't find any definitive evidence that Greenpeace actually ever opposed Inuit whaling. On the contrary, Greenpeace seems to be on board with the IWC's take on the issue, is neutral in regards to indigenous subsistence whaling, and hasn't been involved in any more-recent and higher-profile instances of indigenous whaling that other groups have strongly protested (ie. the Makah whale hunt).
You get points for trying to be controversial though…

http://archive.greenpeace.org/whales/whaling/subsistence.html

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/article/greenpeace_under_attack_for_helping_inuit_whalers/

April 7, 2011, 5:34 a.m.
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Huh? First of all (repeatedly) comparing the negative impacts the Federal government and its various racist policies has had on the Inuit and other aboriginal peoples in Canada to any potential impact GREENPEACE could have on them is absurd and insulting to the challenges aboriginal communities face as a result of western colonialism.
Second, prove it…I can't find any definitive evidence that Greenpeace actually ever opposed Inuit whaling. On the contrary, Greenpeace seems to be on board with the IWC's take on the issue, is neutral in regards to indigenous subsistence whaling, and hasn't been involved in any more-recent and higher-profile instances of indigenous whaling that other groups have strongly protested (ie. the Makah whale hunt).
You get points for trying to be controversial though…

http://archive.greenpeace.org/whales/whaling/subsistence.html

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/article/greenpeace_under_attack_for_helping_inuit_whalers/

Actually while visiting Tuk our Inuit guides mentioned that Greenpeace had been trying to change their whaling habits. She mentioned their organization specifically. And I'll take their words on it.

I suspect at some point Greenpeace changed it's view on this after they where up there. Snooping around.

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April 7, 2011, 5:40 a.m.
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I'll never understand why the Feds rounded them up into towns,but it's a legacy fed problem that requires a fed solution(the claims of the southern tribes are from a different context and time,and don't apply here,so don't bring that up)

Yes.. because the Inuit are so non compus mentus they can't help try to crate solutions with others.:rolleyes:

This will be a long process. It takes effort and will not be solved easily and quickly. Backing up dump trucks of money will only make us feel good while continuing to enable the problem.

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April 7, 2011, 5:59 a.m.
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Yes.. because the Inuit are so non compus mentus they can't help try to crate solutions with others.:rolleyes:

This will be a long process. It takes effort and will not be solved easily and quickly. Backing up dump trucks of money will only make us feel good while continuing to enable the problem.

Gee,thanks for the tips and your experiences in a northern town 2800 kms from Iqualuit.

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April 7, 2011, 6:43 a.m.
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save the whales ok.

Ha Ha! Made you look.

April 7, 2011, 8:25 a.m.
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GREENPEACE HAD A PART IN THIS… YOU FUCKTARDS FAILED TO SEE THE LINE THAT SEPARATES.

April 7, 2011, 8:29 a.m.
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Greenpeace didn't exist when the Canadian government started its policy of settling nomadic subsistence hunters and concentrating the population into towns. This occurred between 1935 to 1965.

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April 7, 2011, 8:51 a.m.
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Greenpeace didn't exist when the Canadian government started its policy of settling nomadic subsistence hunters and concentrating the population into towns. This occurred between 1935 to 1965.

Let's try not to bring facts into this, hmmmn?

I'm sure someone who was eventually going to be in Greenpeace is ultimately responsible for the whole debacle. Greenpeace is bad!!! yahhhhhhrrrr!

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When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion.

April 7, 2011, 10:10 a.m.
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"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes, it has not died out."
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