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Fukushima Radiation Now Equal To At Least 50 Chernobyls.

Feb. 26, 2014, 10:10 a.m.
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You homies on Van. Isl. are gonna' take a direct hit! Best not make any babies in the meanwhile.

OK … so the most shocking thing about that map is that there are regions of the Pacific Ocean with almost zero radioactivity.

Oh, wait, that map is trying to show radiation levels above the background.

So what is the (natural) background radiation in the ocean? Mmmmm … I'm no Radionucleotide Oceanographer, but these guys

http://www.umich.edu/~radinfo/introduction/natural.htm

say Potassium 40, the main source of radiation in the earth's crust and in your body, on average emits 11 Bq/L in the oceans. The chart shows readings in Bq/m3.

1m3 = 1000 L

So the ocean's background radiation from natural Potassium-40 alone is 11,000 Bq/m3. The entire Pacific ocean should be coloured a deeper red than the top end of their scale (10,000 Bq/m3).

The logaritmic scale is ridiculous, because the water in the yellow plume is between 1/100-1/1000th more radioactive than the ocean average. It is lower than the deviation in radioactivity from place to place in the ocean.

The WHO recommends radiation levels from natural radon gas in drinking water not exceed 300,000 Bq/m3 (300 Bq/l - or 300,000% more radiation than the Fuk-U-Finger of Radiation from Fukushima).

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs291/en/

Feb. 26, 2014, 11:40 p.m.
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You homies on Van. Isl. are gonna' take a direct hit! Best not make any babies in the meanwhile.

The chart says 100 bq's per cubed metre in the most radioactive places.

100 bq's is not that scary.

EDIT nm- duncan summed it up much better

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Feb. 27, 2014, 5:17 p.m.
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Fracking Waste is Being Dumped Into the Ocean Off California's Coast

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Feb. 28, 2014, 11:48 a.m.
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Fracking Waste is Being Dumped Into the Ocean Off California's Coast

Frac fluid is used as a pressure medium and even onshore rigs often use KCl saltwater. (because it is cheap, even in Alberta) They need a huge amount of fluid for each well and often it is cost effective to re-use the fluid.

I consider it extremely likely that the frac waste is 95% + seawater, albeit with some contaminants like produced oil, and trace amounts of heavy metals.

Not saying this is acceptable, just likely less bad than the article describes.

March 9, 2014, 3:51 a.m.
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The chart says 100 bq's per cubed metre in the most radioactive places.

100 bq's is not that scary.

100 bq's of what though? Cesium 134/137? Gamma? Well.. if its taken 3 years to get that level and lets just assume its all from fukushima, and lets also assume it'll take the 3 or 4 decades to fix this shit as initial estimates propose, is it not scary then?

Obviously I'm no chem physicist but some particles break down and emit more radiation as they decay. So even if we do the basic math without that taken into account, in 30 years it'll be 33,000bq's per cubic metre.

If you break down a cubic metre alone into a litre, you get 1,000 litres (talking straight liquid volume).

If someone wants to correct me, that'll be 33,000,000bq's per litre in the future. (http://www.convertunits.com/from/litre/to/metres+cubed).

I'm sure I may have missed a step in there or have something off in my quick late night calcuations though.

And what about the air stream that circulates the globe every 40 odd days? It's not just water bound radiation. This is sort of my point throughout this thread, it may be "ok" now, but the technology to fix Fukushima doesnt exist yet.

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March 9, 2014, 4:06 a.m.
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say Potassium 40, the main source of radiation in the earth's crust and in your body, on average emits 11 Bq/L in the oceans. The chart shows readings in Bq/m3.

1m3 = 1000 L

So the ocean's background radiation from natural Potassium-40 alone is 11,000 Bq/m3. The entire Pacific ocean should be coloured a deeper red than the top end of their scale (10,000 Bq/m3). ]

Isnt the graph showing the spread of radioactive pollution from Fukushima in the ocean?

Dont we humans need potassium in our diet, which as you said is a natural form of radiation?

By your logic, banana farmers should be glowing right?

If its so safe, go volunteer to help the clean up there. Perhaps thats why Japans rounding up the homeless to do it. Why isnt any news coming out of Japan ? Perhaps its the state secrecy law Japan passed just before they were to start removal process of the rods?

Keep the misdirection up. You're doing a swell job.

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March 9, 2014, 6:08 a.m.
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100 bq's of what though? Cesium 134/137? Gamma?

Two different things.

Cesium 134/137 is an isotope of Cesium.

Gamma is electromagnetic energy with a very high frequency.

I think the decay of Cesium isotopes produced in a nuclear reactor creates mostly beta particles, but gamma rays are also generated.

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March 9, 2014, 11:48 a.m.
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Two different things.

Cesium 134/137 is an isotope of Cesium.

Gamma is electromagnetic energy with a very high frequency.

I think the decay of Cesium isotopes produced in a nuclear reactor creates mostly beta particles, but gamma rays are also generated.

The answer to the question in the last line can be looked up on the Chart of the Nuclides:

Or the larger web version here:
http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/

March 9, 2014, 11:55 p.m.
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Actually shitbrain, according to that map Vancouver Island doesn't exist! Suck on that!

Just saw this and thats possibly the dumbest and most useless post in this thread. Besides being a petty personal attack.

But you live on the island dont you marching boy? Just remember, its all going according to plan, you have nothing to fear until your superiors tell you otherwise.

As you were sir.

Two different things.

Cesium 134/137 is an isotope of Cesium.

Gamma is electromagnetic energy with a very high frequency.

I think the decay of Cesium isotopes produced in a nuclear reactor creates mostly beta particles, but gamma rays are also generated.

I realize they're different but in the pic above, what are the main isotopes being tracked/shown?

Gamma rays are also being reported at fukushima which is why I threw it in there. You know, just for fun and convolutedness.

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March 10, 2014, 12:04 a.m.
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Doh!

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March 10, 2014, 12:46 a.m.
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Doh!

Aww dont be like that now ;)

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March 10, 2014, 9:48 a.m.
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Alpha, Beta [HTML_REMOVED] Gamma decay are very different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_decay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_decay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray

March 10, 2014, 7:51 p.m.
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But you live on the island dont you marching boy? Just remember, its all going according to plan, you have nothing to fear until your superiors tell you otherwise.

As you were sir..

:)

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March 10, 2014, 9:55 p.m.
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Alpha, Beta [HTML_REMOVED] Gamma decay are very different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_decay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_decay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray

Exactly my point. So we can agree while things may not be "bad" now, they can and should get worse as they decay, yes no?

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March 10, 2014, 9:56 p.m.
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100 bq's of what though? Cesium 134/137? Gamma? Well.. if its taken 3 years to get that level and lets just assume its all from fukushima, and lets also assume it'll take the 3 or 4 decades to fix this shit as initial estimates propose, is it not scary then?

Obviously I'm no chem physicist but some particles break down and emit more radiation as they decay. So even if we do the basic math without that taken into account, in 30 years it'll be 33,000bq's per cubic metre.

Ce-137 emits a low-energy beta particle (electron) to form Barium-137m, an enrgetic form of barium that then gives off high-energy gamma radiation and leaves behind stable Barium-137. Barium 137 is a stable isotope and does not undergo further nuclear decay.

You are (?) talking about nuclear chain reactions above … atomic decays can be chained so that they feed/accelerate other decay processes, but this requires specific mixtures of isotopes and special conditions, like extreme pressures and temperatures.

If you break down a cubic metre alone into a litre, you get 1,000 litres (talking straight liquid volume).

If someone wants to correct me, that'll be 33,000,000bq's per litre in the future. (http://www.convertunits.com/from/litre/to/metres+cubed).

I'm sure I may have missed a step in there or have something off in my quick late night calcuations though.

1 litre = 1/1000 cubic meters

1 litre has 1/1000th the radiation of a cubic meter

And what about the air stream that circulates the globe every 40 odd days? It's not just water bound radiation. This is sort of my point throughout this thread, it may be "ok" now, but the technology to fix Fukushima doesnt exist yet.

The recommended safety level for Ce-137 in drinking water is 200 picocuries per litre (7.4 Bq/l or 7400 Bq/m3).

I realize they're different but in the pic above, what are the main isotopes being tracked/shown?

Gamma rays are also being reported at fukushima which is why I threw it in there. You know, just for fun and convolutedness.

There is no specific indication of what kind of radiation is being measured in the unattributed picture (assuming it actually is meaningful or even real). But we assume the very worst (assuming all the radiation shown is due solely to Ce-137), it says that Ce-137 levels in parts of the Pacific ocean are comparable to that of the Baltic, Black and Irish Seas post Sellafield/Chernobyl


BTW there is no "natural, background for Ca-137, it all comes from man-made fission of uranium 235.

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