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Fuck Science and Math

Jan. 24, 2017, 3:24 p.m.
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Yes a vicious cycle to say the least. Users know they can be saved right now with Naloxone (for the most part), which is why they take their drugs in front of the medical clinic or near one of the mobile units. They know someone will save them if they OD. Addiction is a horrible thing, the addicts will take the drugs even though they are often fully aware it is likely to kill them.

The game is going to change if/when carfentanyl becomes more prevalant or even worse, when W18 (non-opiod that Naloxone has no effect on) starts showing up more.

that,s what I meant by immune to the drugs , eventually they will create a cocktail they won,t be able to reverse the OD .

#northsidetrailbuilders

Jan. 24, 2017, 3:35 p.m.
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Apparently lot of the OD's on the DTES have need more as man 4-6 Narcan shots to work because they are so overdosed. AND then they complain you ruined their high when they come too…

Maybe don't give them that hand job, then.

When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.

When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion.

Jan. 24, 2017, 6:11 p.m.
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That's just it- you can't fix that. If a kid gets infected and mom treats at home with voodoo, how is the system supposed to intervene before it's too late, unless it's a significant period of time and the school calls public health?

Neighbors, teachers, doctors and generally anyone being observant have the possibility of changing the course of a tragedy, but behind walls over a shorter period of time- the kids are doomed.

You all have more faith in people right now than you will at my age!

People are more worried about the welfare of cats and dogs. We took the foster kids training and I have no words to describe the shit I heard the kids go through.

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Jan. 28, 2017, 11:13 p.m.
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This is a shout out to all the stupid cunts who disavow science and mathematics. You are a menace to society.

Not specific to this incident but topical. There is a reasonable middle ground. This movie presents that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_nWp6ZHA2Q

Freedom of contract. We sell them guns that kill them; they sell us drugs that kill us.

Jan. 28, 2017, 11:24 p.m.
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Like I said, a basic understanding of statistics and cognitive psychology will help us through innumerable land mines like false balance.

Jan. 29, 2017, 12:01 p.m.
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Like I said, a basic understanding of statistics and cognitive psychology will help us through innumerable land mines like false balance.

The film is not, and organizations listed in your link like the National Vaccine Information Center are not an anti-vaccine organization.
As also explained in film is how the vaccination debate has been politicized into an either or proposition, and includes interviews with pro-vaccine pediatricians who don't accept the current model of mass vaccination.
Take the particularly egregious case of Gardasil, which was supposed to undergo a 3 year trial and, although showing adverse outcomes during the clinical period got fast-tracked approval (no doubt the revolving door of employment between drug manufacturers and positions at the FDA playing a role) after only 15 months of testing. After approval clinical trials were immediately discontinued.
Nowhere in the film does it suggest we stop vaccinating. Just that a more nuanced, scientifically vetted approach should be adopted to protect those individuals who are genetically or otherwise predisposed to bad outcomes from the scattergun approach to vaccinating children.
By law people are unable to sue vaccine mgfs. A tax was added to each shot to create a fund for those seeking damages. Since inception it's paid out over $2,000,000,000.00.
Appears the program could use some tweaking.

Freedom of contract. We sell them guns that kill them; they sell us drugs that kill us.

Jan. 29, 2017, 12:14 p.m.
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The film is not, and organizations listed in your link like the National Vaccine Information Center are not an anti-vaccine organization.
As also explained in film is how the debate has been politicized into an either or proposition, and includes interviews with pro-vaccine pediatricians who don't accept the current model of mass vaccination.
So why, since you obviously have an opinion, don't you just climb down off your high horse and watch the film, smarty pants.

I did not watch the movie, do not feel the need to - in the end, even Wikipedia can be used as an effective means of creating an opinion.

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Jan. 29, 2017, 12:41 p.m.
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See how long it took me to edit? Good thing you didn't quote the first version. :lol:

I did not watch the movie, do not feel the need to - in the end, even Wikipedia can be used as an effective means of creating an opinion.

[SHRUG]Whatever. And you a teacher.[/SHRUG]

Freedom of contract. We sell them guns that kill them; they sell us drugs that kill us.

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