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March 28, 2009, 12:29 a.m.
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How is gang violence in the USA different from idiots-following-power-hungry-fucktard different? They speak different language but the message is always the same - "Hey, look at me, I am an animal who has power to inflict pain, let me make up a reason for what I do for pleasure so that more complete morons follow my every order".

Why would I want to study for years, then work hard to develop my career? I mean, why not just gang up and beat the shit out of total strangers, take their money, create some videos and call it a "profession"?

Well lets be careful here. Both urban gangs and these guys are there for a reason and it's not just because they're insane. They both exist because there's something wrong, and while their totally misguided responses are directed at the wrong people, it's silly to just dismiss them as sadistic animals groping for any reason to cause pain.

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March 28, 2009, 1:07 a.m.
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it's silly to just dismiss them as sadistic animals groping for any reason to cause pain.

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March 28, 2009, 7:48 a.m.
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Buddy, this is too simple, the followers are complete morons who seek fulfilment in their good for nothing pathetic lives. The leaders are power hungry and are in it for as much financial gain as glory. Whatever rocks their boat they are still pathetic scum of the earth who couldn't achieve anything in life without violence and ironically that is what makes them sadly weak i

Well lets be careful here. Both urban gangs and these guys are there for a reason and it's not just because they're insane. They both exist because there's something wrong, and while their totally misguided responses are directed at the wrong people, it's silly to just dismiss them as sadistic animals groping for any reason to cause pain.

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March 28, 2009, 7:50 a.m.
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that douchebag with the glasses is exactly a sadistic animal grouping to cause pain, and propoganda.

March 28, 2009, 8:16 a.m.
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How is gang violence in the USA different from idiots-following-power-hungry-fucktard different? They speak different language but the message is always the same - "Hey, look at me, I am an animal who has power to inflict pain, let me make up a reason for what I do for pleasure so that more complete morons follow my every order".

Well gang violence in the states is more for profit with really no underlying ideology.

These guys are different in that, they are not doing it for profit, but they feel their ancient heritage and fatherland is being threatened by outsiders and they feel the only way to defend it, is through militant action. Nazi Germany was influenced in exactly the same way.

The message is not the same as the one you stated. Their message would be "This is the land of my ancient forefathers, if you are not of our blood, leave because this land does not belong to you"

Of course when you are uneducated it is hard to be constructive, and when you have nationalistic pride, instead of promoting your own people, you commit violence acts towards other people. I believe Education is the cure here.

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March 28, 2009, 10:05 a.m.
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Well gang violence in the states is more for profit with really no underlying ideology.

These guys are different in that, they are not doing it for profit, but they feel their ancient heritage and fatherland is being threatened by outsiders and they feel the only way to defend it, is through militant action. Nazi Germany was influenced in exactly the same way.

The message is not the same as the one you stated. Their message would be "This is the land of my ancient forefathers, if you are not of our blood, leave because this land does not belong to you"

Of course when you are uneducated it is hard to be constructive, and when you have nationalistic pride, instead of promoting your own people, you commit violence acts towards other people. I believe Education is the cure here.

I had a buddy in College from Russia and based on his words those same skinheads beat locals just as much as they beat foreigners. No, they ARE doing it for money and "glory", they are power hungry. They hide behind nationalistic propaganda because there is a little piece of the puzzle that is missing - how do you expand? Give them a [good] reason and they'll join your cult.

The guy in charge needs little piss-poor morons to follow and obey because if he can create a movement, he may have a shot at a government position and in Russia that translates to INSANE amounts of money.

March 28, 2009, 10:14 a.m.
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Well gang violence in the states is more for profit with really no underlying ideology.

These guys are different in that, they are not doing it for profit, but they feel their ancient heritage and fatherland is being threatened by outsiders and they feel the only way to defend it, is through militant action. Nazi Germany was influenced in exactly the same way.

The message is not the same as the one you stated. Their message would be "This is the land of my ancient forefathers, if you are not of our blood, leave because this land does not belong to you"

Of course when you are uneducated it is hard to be constructive, and when you have nationalistic pride, instead of promoting your own people, you commit violence acts towards other people. I believe Education is the cure here.

where do you think they get all the money for the training, and all that shit. Why do you think they want the leader to be in the gov't. They want power, and money, because they're poor and have noone but themselves to blame.

March 28, 2009, 11:53 a.m.
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^ Fascism and Racism works differently - the followers do no in fact blame themselves.

A large part of these folks are brainwashed by intellectual and rather well-educated people who crave for power. The ordinary street thug kind of Nazi is not really well-educated in the original sense, and has various other social / individual issues. They do not blame themselves but rather project their fears onto the outer world - believing that this will cure their situation.

The same over here in Germany, the situation worsens but cannot (repeat: cannot) by any means be comapred to Russia where Nazis have been a serious problem since the collapse of Soviet Russia. The same holds true for other Eastern European countries as well.

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March 28, 2009, noon
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I submit that both racist groups and gangs would be a lot less attractive to a lot of people under different circumstances in society. The guy in the video summed it up nicely when he was talking about how kids are angry, and then their anger gets manipulated toward a simple, inaccurate target. My point is that yes they're douchebags, but without the massive problems that made them angry in the first place, it'd be a lot harder to support this kind of hatred.

It's a fucking common fact: the worse things get in society, the more radicalized society gets. Period.

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March 28, 2009, 12:09 p.m.
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I submit that both racist groups and gangs would be a lot less attractive to a lot of people under different circumstances in society. The guy in the video summed it up nicely when he was talking about how kids are angry, and then their anger gets manipulated toward a simple, inaccurate target. My point is that yes they're douchebags, but without the massive problems that made them angry in the first place, it'd be a lot harder to support this kind of hatred.

It's a fucking common fact: the worse things get in society, the more radicalized society gets. Period.

If you are piss-poor financially and piss-poor morally you should not have kids - period. Thats right, don't blame the country, blame the parents. Because we see the same type of shit all over the world and one commonality is that those kids think they have it rough.

RLH, I just don't want to make excuses for this waste of sperm. They made a decision to be that way, I have NO mercy.

March 28, 2009, 12:12 p.m.
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^ Fascism and Racism works differently - the followers do no in fact blame themselves.

A large part of these folks are brainwashed by intellectual and rather well-educated people who crave for power. The ordinary street thug kind of Nazi is not really well-educated in the original sense, and has various other social / individual issues. They do not blame themselves but rather project their fears onto the outer world - believing that this will cure their situation.

The same over here in Germany, the situation worsens but cannot (repeat: cannot) by any means be comapred to Russia where Nazis have been a serious problem since the collapse of Soviet Russia. The same holds true for other Eastern European countries as well.

Dear, Mic, i was referring to them blaming themselves as being rhetorical remark as in they only blame others(foreigners).

March 28, 2009, 12:12 p.m.
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Well gang violence in the states is more for profit with really no underlying ideology.

These guys are different in that, they are not doing it for profit, but they feel their ancient heritage and fatherland is being threatened by outsiders and they feel the only way to defend it, is through militant action. Nazi Germany was influenced in exactly the same way.

The message is not the same as the one you stated. Their message would be "This is the land of my ancient forefathers, if you are not of our blood, leave because this land does not belong to you"

Of course when you are uneducated it is hard to be constructive, and when you have nationalistic pride, instead of promoting your own people, you commit violence acts towards other people. I believe Education is the cure here.

Just a point of note, throughout history Russia has been referred to as the Motherland, ya know Mother Russia and all that, so like the narrator says its quite ironic that they have made the choice to follow an ideology that slaughtered over a million of its citizens, long before any of them were born.

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March 28, 2009, 12:14 p.m.
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If you are piss-poor financially and piss-poor morally you should not have kids - period. Thats right, don't blame the country, blame the parents. Because we see the same type of shit all over the world and one commonality is that those kids think they have it rough.

RLH, I just don't want to make excuses for this waste of sperm. They made a decision to be that way, I have NO mercy.

No I'm pretty sure a lot of Russians really do have it hard these days.

ps. explaining their actions doesn't make it any harder to condemn them.

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March 28, 2009, 12:18 p.m.
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No I'm pretty sure a lot of Russians really do have it hard these days.

ps. explaining their actions doesn't make it any harder to condemn them.

So do some blacks from the "hood" … Life can throw stones at you, it is how you deal with your problems that separates real tough guys from dick swinging pussies.

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March 28, 2009, 12:20 p.m.
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Dear, Mic, i was referring to them blaming themselves as being rhetorical remark as in they only blame others(foreigners).

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