Maybe move the topic here…..
Fentanyl crisis
914 lives taken in 2016, in BC alone.
I don't know if it's just the reporting focusing on Fentanyl but it's pretty serious.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/overdose-death-statistics-2016-1.3941224
Rebuild Riverview faster. (/thread jk.) When they thought that they could close Woodlawn and Riverview and let the public clinics deal with all the mentally ill someone was very poorly advised. Of course all those people ended up on the street grouped around where the treatment centres were (DTES) and most of them self medicate because they don't understand the system and how to get proper help.
Now most of these people that should be properly housed in a long term facility are on the street costing us millions of dollars for public health treatment, welfare and extra policing, prison costs etcetra. Once we reinstate proper mental health hospitals in Vancouver this will take a huge load of the DTES and parts of Surrey. (And I'm going to guess that if you actually crunch the numbers it will be cheaper if you can transfer all those expenses into long term care costs.)
http://globalnews.ca/news/2406939/future-of-riverview-hospital-expected-to-be-announced/
I used to wander around there^^ fixing HW in the 80's … an interesting place
yeah the fentanyl crisis is bad, take a drug 100 times more powerful than heroin and try to cut it with a nutra-bulit blender … might be a few hotspots
I used to wander around there^^ fixing HW in the 80's … an interesting place
yeah the fentanyl crisis is bad, take a drug 100 times more powerful than heroin and try to cut it with a nutra-bulit blender … might be a few hotspots
The OD's are mostly carfentanil which is an elephant traquilizer 1000 time stronger that fentanyl.
re the thoughts from the other thread on sending an ambulance to save an addict vs a productive member of society, there is a process to rank emergency response. emergency medical services are distributed on the basis of need where the patient with the most critical or life threatening situation is dealt with first. the short of it is the person who may die gets priority.
We don't know what our limits are, so to start something with the idea of being limited actually ends up limiting us.
Ellen Langer
So who here thinks making drugs illegal is helping stop fentynal deaths?
Why are people OD'ing on fentynal? Is it because they wake up and say, gonna get me some drugs and pump myself up with 1000x the required dose? Does anyone want fentynal in their coke or heroin? Do any of those users even know what carfentanil is and ask for a little sprinkle of it in their oxycontin?
Time to end the war on drugs and put a stop to this exact kind of bullshit. So much waste in lives and money by leaving the inevitable and unstoppable manufacture, trade and use of drugs to illicit means. Experiment has failed, time to move on to something else.
The bad guys can smuggle in a brick of the synthetic opiods in the mail which is much easier than a pallet of heroin
I doubt there is even heroin to buy on the street anymore
Here's another inevitable result of making drugs illegal…
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2682111/pics-addicts-scaly-wounds-crocodile-injecting-drug-krokodil/
There would be zero market for this if these people had access to clean heroin. And they may even be off that too if they had access to the exceptionally good treatment we could afford to provide if money was diverted directly there and away from enforcement, associated crime and insurance claims, ambulance rides (the list goes on).
Then there is always the conspiracy theorists that help make the debate interesting. What if the Fentanyl crisis is actually being manufactured by the government as part of the war on drugs? There is a track record of the US government poisoning illegal substances as a deterrent. As a lot of our drugs probably come through the US there is a possibility that our Fentanyl crisis is a manufactured problem by the DEA.
The American DEA admitted to spraying Paraquat on weed in the 70s and 80s. (Which has an interesting side effect of suicide). The DEA has stood by the fact that it was not toxic to humans but not knowing if your weed was sprayed with a dangerous herbicide is a good deterrent. There are lots of cases of Paraquat being linked to deaths (mostly by suicide) in countries like Japan, Samoa and Trinidad. Still want to light that joint if you don't know where the weed was from?
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/14/us/us-to-resume-using-paraquat-on-marijuana.html
More deaths were attributed to the US governments poisoning of alcohol during prohibition. Some think as many as 10,000 deaths can be attributed to this. 1100 in 2 years in New York alone.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html
So it all seems a little familiar when you hear about the current spat of overdoses. Now I'm not one for conspiracies but if the shoe fits….
From what I've read it seems like the synthetic drugs are easier to manufacture (PRC) and smuggle than "natural" drugs. Just another bad side effect of the War on Drugs.
This is a bit like meth, but worse.
Here's another inevitable result of making drugs illegal…
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2682111/pics-addicts-scaly-wounds-crocodile-injecting-drug-krokodil/
There would be zero market for this if these people had access to clean heroin. And they may even be off that too if they had access to the exceptionally good treatment we could afford to provide if money was diverted directly there and away from enforcement, associated crime and insurance claims, ambulance rides (the list goes on).
Man if I could score real pure MDMA from the drugstore that would be my Friday nights handled.
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So who here thinks making drugs illegal is helping stop fentynal deaths?
Time to end the war on drugs and put a stop to this exact kind of bullshit. So much waste in lives and money by leaving the inevitable and unstoppable manufacture, trade and use of drugs to illicit means. Experiment has failed, time to move on to something else.
Probably the same people here that think more gun control laws will stop the criminals from shooting one another.
We were talking about drug issues into which you have projected Gun control laws … what has that got to do with Fentanyl deaths?
We were talking about drug issues into which you have projected Gun control laws … what has that got to do with Fentanyl deaths?
uhh…making things illegal doesn't solve social problems?
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