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Electric Vehicle (EV) discussion thread

June 10, 2022, 4:41 p.m.
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Posted by: LoamtoHome

Posted by: Hepcat

The electric infrastructure not being able to handle EV cars sounds like a completely imaginary issue.

Including all of commercial vehicles, airplanes, more population growth?  They’ll be burning coal or NG to meet demand.  Still want to know if we have long term supply of Lithium and other metals for all the batteries?

Not to mention everyone's personal jetpacks and lazer blasters and exoskeletons and electric space flights around Saturn on the weekends. 

But for the issue at hand, charging electric cars, the grid will handle it fine.

https://www.virta.global/blog/myth-buster-electric-vehicles-will-overload-the-power-grid

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grids-can-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/energynews.us/2021/03/10/commentary-yes-our-electricity-grid-can-support-an-electric-vehicle-future/

June 11, 2022, 3:08 a.m.
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Posted by: LoamtoHome

Posted by: Hepcat

The electric infrastructure not being able to handle EV cars sounds like a completely imaginary issue.

Including all of commercial vehicles, airplanes, more population growth?  They’ll be burning coal or NG to meet demand.  Still want to know if we have long term supply of Lithium and other metals for all the batteries?

in germany a company just demonstrated how you can extract lithium as a byproduct from geothermal pumps. it is in every drop of seawater. there should be an abundance of it. also there are already natrium batteries etc on the horizon

June 11, 2022, 9:58 a.m.
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Honest answers about electricity supply... We are going to need about 30 site C's (according to CleanBC plan the government is expecting to increase consumption by 60 %)... to meet demand, and will need major infrastructure upgrades to supply the buildings/cars.

LED lighting will save some energy, but heat pumps will substantially increase load (since in many cases this will be a fuel switch from oil, gas, or propane to electric). On the building front, we are looking to add load through fuel switching space heating, domestic hot water, and ventilation... Each one of these sources is stretching the supply to individual buildings (LED lighting savings may just allow for that load to be added to buildings). 

Heat pumps will also lead to a new peak in electricity consumption in the summer due to added cooling load. Also, Heat pump efficiency plummets in the winter and reaches a COP of 1 at around zero degrees. So yes... Heat pumps are going to add demand.

The electricity grid also needs to be looked at on different levels, i.e. building, street, block, muni, entire province... as we electrify, we are running into constraints on the building, and block level. These constraints are adding to the business case for electrifying buildings.. In many cases, upgrading the building and street circuits are ruining the business case for fuel switching. We are also running into municipal constraints, with BC Hydro looking to reduce demand in a few lower mainland municipalities (Hope for one). 

The reality is we need to be very careful with the energy we consume!

June 13, 2022, 11:40 a.m.
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Posted by: icullis

The reality is we need to be very careful with the energy we consume!

This.

BC Hydro lets you compare your household consumption with similar households in your area. In our case it shows that we use around half the average. I have no idea what people are doing to consume that much energy but they do.

I guess the good news is that there is lots of opportunity for improvement.

June 14, 2022, 3:42 p.m.
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Posted by: [email protected]

Posted by: icullis

The reality is we need to be very careful with the energy we consume!

This.

BC Hydro lets you compare your household consumption with similar households in your area. In our case it shows that we use around half the average. I have no idea what people are doing to consume that much energy but they do.

I guess the good news is that there is lots of opportunity for improvement.

I am consistently lower consumption when compared against "similar homes nearby" on the BCH site, and I do over 90% of my EV charging at home. I haven't hit the step 2 rate in over a year. Funny bit is, the biggest spikes in my electrical consumption are actually laundry days.

June 14, 2022, 4:10 p.m.
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Posted by: KenN

Posted by: [email protected]

Posted by: icullis

The reality is we need to be very careful with the energy we consume!

This.

BC Hydro lets you compare your household consumption with similar households in your area. In our case it shows that we use around half the average. I have no idea what people are doing to consume that much energy but they do.

I guess the good news is that there is lots of opportunity for improvement.

I am consistently lower consumption when compared against "similar homes nearby" on the BCH site, and I do over 90% of my EV charging at home. I haven't hit the step 2 rate in over a year. Funny bit is, the biggest spikes in my electrical consumption are actually laundry days.

I bet you my consumption is about 1/2 or less of yours. I don't even know what step 2 is. The biggest spikes in my electrical are consumption are on date nights.

June 16, 2022, 6:42 a.m.
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https://youtu.be/S1E8SQde5rk

June 16, 2022, 9:23 a.m.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/8913205/bc-mines-electrified-trucks-canadian-first/?fbclid=IwAR1DDEl3t4n3DPSdvTijKNMyeM5xFpG7EmOGyAUEoT9Uxl30UAhh5ClagZI

electric mine hall trucks using trolley wires

June 16, 2022, 9:34 a.m.
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Posted by: switch

there's also a CO2 cost for solar and wind so the graph would be different for initial energy.  Nuclear is the best option for generation but will never be accepted despite huge gains in technology.

June 16, 2022, 11:47 a.m.
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Posted by: XXX_er

https://globalnews.ca/news/8913205/bc-mines-electrified-trucks-canadian-first/?fbclid=IwAR1DDEl3t4n3DPSdvTijKNMyeM5xFpG7EmOGyAUEoT9Uxl30UAhh5ClagZI

electric mine hall trucks using trolley wires

This has been in operation for some time now...no mention of the local mine that has gone to battery powered haul trucks though eh, that are charged via local hydroelectric generators....


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June 16, 2022, 3:12 p.m.
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I read about a mine where the trucks drove to the top of a hill empty, loaded up and then drove down with the regen brake controlling the speed. That made enough power to do the next ascent.

June 16, 2022, 3:38 p.m.
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Posted by: mrbrett

I read about a mine where the trucks drove to the top of a hill empty, loaded up and then drove down with the regen brake controlling the speed. That made enough power to do the next ascent.

Infinity train planned in Australia. One single charge get the train up, then it keeps recharging on the descent via regen for the return trip.  

https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-electric-infinity-trains-could-run-forever-on-one-initial-charge

June 16, 2022, 4:01 p.m.
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Posted by: earleb

Posted by: mrbrett

I read about a mine where the trucks drove to the top of a hill empty, loaded up and then drove down with the regen brake controlling the speed. That made enough power to do the next ascent.

Infinity train planned in Australia. One single charge get the train up, then it keeps recharging on the descent via regen for the return trip.  

https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-electric-infinity-trains-could-run-forever-on-one-initial-charge

If they don't call it Snowpiercer, I'll be terribly disappointed.

June 16, 2022, 5:08 p.m.
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Posted by: KenN

If they don't call it Snowpiercer, I'll be terribly disappointed.

Sealing the crew into the train for one year shifts in some sort of bio dome/self-contained environment scenario would really show some commitment.

July 8, 2022, 8:51 a.m.
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https://youtu.be/bixJDOH864U

Tacoma killer.

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