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Electric Vehicle (EV) discussion thread

April 6, 2016, 1:19 p.m.
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Like at Whistler?

There are several charging points in Whistler. Do you mean the four stations in the day lots? They charge a parking rate (same for everyone in that lot) but not for power.

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April 6, 2016, 1:55 p.m.
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Even if they charged, it's still really cheap.

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April 7, 2016, 3:49 a.m.
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don't you pay like under 10ct per kwh anyway?

April 7, 2016, 7:04 a.m.
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don't you pay like under 10ct per kwh anyway?

Hence, my calculation of 65 cents/hr at a 6.6 kw charger …

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April 7, 2016, 8:40 a.m.
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government is going to need to replace the tax revenue on gas eventually to maintain the road infrastructure. I wonder how they will do that

April 7, 2016, 8:51 a.m.
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Maybe they could remove the subsidies and tax perks from oil and gas companies, and put that back into infrastructure?

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April 7, 2016, 8:52 a.m.
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government is going to need to replace the tax revenue on gas eventually to maintain the road infrastructure. I wonder how they will do that

Eventually, there will need to be a shift to different type of funding model. Road pricing, tolls, registration taxes, pick your poison…. But we are a long way from that. There are 3200 EVs in BC right now - the Model 3 is going to be a big product but it'll take some time before EVs make a real dent in the overall vehicle fleet.

April 7, 2016, 10:02 a.m.
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One could always look to Norway, where 20+ % of all new car sales are EVs (and has been that high for almost 2 years). They seem to be making it work without the whole nation's power and transportation infrastructure crumbling.

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April 7, 2016, 12:05 p.m.
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Tweet from Musk this morning says 253k now. Also says he'll update two more times - end of weekend and Wednesday eve (to reflect first full week of orders).

As of this morning, pre-orders now up to 325,000.

will be interesting how fast they can ramp up production now.

Per an email I received from Tesla this morning …

"We're currently increasing our production plans to minimize the wait for Model 3, so reserve your spot now."

also i would really like to attend the board meetings of the german car industry tomorrow :D

It appears that Mercedes shareholders are getting pretty upset at their failure to respond to Tesla's overtaking them in the luxury saloon market space …

http://electrek.co/2016/04/07/tesla-model-3-daimler-shareholder/

Tesla has yet to deliver a single Model 3 and probably won’t for another 18 months, but the fact that close to 300,000 people already signed up to pre-order the vehicle is already disrupting the industry. During Daimler’s annual shareholders meeting in Berlin on Wednesday, several shareholders have expressed concerns over Silicon Valley-based companies – especially Tesla – leading the electric vehicle market.

The Financial Times reported on three particular questions shareholders asked Daimler’s management:

[A shareholder] warned the automobile industry faced “a radical upheaval, driven by attacks from Silicon Valley”. Among other products, Alphabet is developing a self-driving car.

Another Daimler shareholder complained to management: “We don’t really have a product for this competition from Tesla. In the long term we have some great vehicles? ?but they are virtual at this point.”

A third shareholder said there was no adequate European competitor to Tesla’s latest model. He asked management: “What is the reason for that?”

Also, Mercedes shareholders seem to have found a new definition for "sausage party" …

http://uk.businessinsider.com/police-called-to-daimler-shareholder-party-over-sausage-fight-2016-4

With the approval of the biggest dividend in the company's history, German car maker Daimler AG's shareholder meeting was supposed to be a chance to celebrate.

But that was ruined when two guests got into a fight over sausages.

As Bloomberg reports, police had to be called after a man began "packing away" multiple sausages from the buffet.

When a woman intervened the two got into a "verbal altercation."

Company Chairman Manfred Bischoff noted in the aftermath that "either we need more sausages, or we’ll have to get rid of the sausages entirely."

Bloomberg added that the dividend cost of a share (€3.25) would be enough for double pack of sausages at German discount supermarket Aldi.

Daimler AG is one of the biggest luxury car makers in the world. It owns Mercedes-Benz and has shares in Smart Cars, Mitsubishi, and Renault-Nissan amongst others.

Daimler once had something like 15% ownership, but they've sold off their entire interest in Tesla.

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April 7, 2016, 12:34 p.m.
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Daimler once had something like 15% ownership, but they've sold off their entire interest in Tesla.

Tesla was involved in the production of the B-electric

which was the only road worthy achievement under the MB's ownership in a share of Tesla. The car tanked and sold in no discernible volume. The limiting 87 mile range it didn't help.


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April 7, 2016, 12:44 p.m.
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Tesla was involved in the production of the B-electric

which was the only road worthy achievement under the MB's ownership in a share of Tesla. The car tanked and sold in no discernible volume. The limiting 87 mile range it didn't help.

Well, Merc decided it to sell it only in ZEV states in North America. Can't even buy one in Canada or import one. So they clearly wanted it only as a compliance vehicle.

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April 8, 2016, 7:47 a.m.
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Theyre gonna nees a lot more gigafactories and lithium.

Lithium brine abundance in Alberta, regions with existing Wells:
http://www.rockstone-research.com/index.php/en/research-reports/597-MGX-Minerals-Taps-Into-Canadas-Potentially-Largest-High-Grade-Lithium-Resources

April 8, 2016, 7:58 a.m.
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Alberta's next "oil" rush?

Doesn't look like they've completed the NI43-101 yet. Will be interesting to follow that story.

Also some large untapped finds in Nevada … conveniently close to the gigafactory.

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April 8, 2016, 9:29 a.m.
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The ramp up to cover 325,000 vehicles is going to be interesting.

The Honda plant back in Ontario where I used to work at does 1600 cars a day. This is two production lines with two shifts on each line and the stamping line running three shifts.

325,000 / 1600 = 203 production days.

What is Tesla at now? About 340 cars a day? Is that one shift or two? If they are doing 340 on a single shift on a one line I'd say they'll do okay in the ramp up. If it's 340 on two shifts they're in for a tough times in ramping up. JD Power numbers will drop, squeaks and rattles are going up.

They should come build a plant here in Vancouver, I wouldn't mind getting back into auto manufacturing. LOL

April 8, 2016, 9:51 a.m.
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They are at about 2000 per week, on two lines, at the Fremont NUMMI plant. The model S and X share many of the same chassis components so one line (the older one) builds S only, the other is mixed S and X.

The 3 is a different design completely and will have new, dedicated lines built to produce it. They have excess space in the NUMMI facility, plus they have another facility nearby for NA deliveries. Expect they will expanding capacity in Tilburg, Netherlands (currently 450/week) for Euro deliveries, plus maybe another facility in the Euro zone … apparently France is pitching some space to Tesla.

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