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Donald Trump... Narcissist in Chief!

Oct. 14, 2016, 10:26 p.m.
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maybe not, but the point here is that sort of behaviour is still disparaging to women.

I think sexual assault is just a little bit more than "disparaging to women". And that's why it drives me insane to hear it referred to as "locker room talk"

Oct. 14, 2016, 11:24 p.m.
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I think sexual assault is just a little bit more than "disparaging to women". And that's why it drives me insane to hear it referred to as "locker room talk"

i was referring to your comment on looking at pictures of boobs.

We don't know what our limits are, so to start something with the idea of being limited actually ends up limiting us.
Ellen Langer

Oct. 15, 2016, 12:11 a.m.
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i was referring to your comment on looking at pictures of boobs.

Which was in reference to a comment that somehow equated "the boobs thread" with admitting to sexual assault.

Oct. 15, 2016, 7:07 a.m.
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I think sexual assault is just a little bit more than "disparaging to women". And that's why it drives me insane to hear it referred to as "locker room talk"

which the athletes say they don't actualy talk about in the locker room

in any case half the world are women, your mothers,sisters,wives, GF's, daughters but none of them come here… Is that what NSMB wants?

Oct. 15, 2016, 1:06 p.m.
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…your mothers,sisters,wives, GF's, daughters but none of them come here… Is that what NSMB wants?

um….yea….

Oct. 15, 2016, 1:41 p.m.
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Which was in reference to a comment that somehow equated "the boobs thread" with admitting to sexual assault.

no, that's not what was said. you originally made the statement that looking at pics of boobs is not the same as sexual assault.

He says he "just grabs them by the pussy", then several women come forward with stories of him doing just that. You realize that is sexual assault…right? And that's not the same thing as looking at pictures of boobs, right?

and i agree with that, but stated that the boob thread (that sort of behaviour) is still disparaging to women.

maybe not, but the point here is that sort of behaviour is still disparaging to women.

the point is that the level of regressive behaviour around here realting to women in particular has dropped off and part of that is the relative disappearance of the boob thread.

We don't know what our limits are, so to start something with the idea of being limited actually ends up limiting us.
Ellen Langer

Oct. 17, 2016, 9:35 a.m.
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Not that I really want to dive into the whole 'Boob thread' discussions here, so I'll just say this. I'm struggling to figure out how it is in the best interest of women to stifle a discussion condemning a presidential candidate for misogynistic comments and sexual assault, by calling everyone hypocrites, because a few guys carried on posting boob pictures far longer than it should have gone on. One would think that encouraging discussion of matters like this, and showing that that behavior is wrong, might be more helpful in reducing the number of posts objectifying women here on NSMB.

Moving on, apparently Trump's son-in-law has been making the rounds looking to drum up some support for a news network.

Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner has informally approached one of the media industry’s top dealmakers about the prospect of setting up a Trump television network after the presidential election in November.
https://www.ft.com/content/7dc39954-940e-11e6-a1dc-bdf38d484582

It's interesting because I was just reading an article this morning about how Shep Smith had met with a few of the Murdochs to discuss the future of Fox News and the concensus was that they were going to move away from the toxic, opinion content and move towards actual reporting. This coupled by Glenn Beck's The Blaze imploding and the downhill slide of Brietbart leaves a huge vacuum on the far right.

Since the forced departure of Roger Ailes ― who has now gone on to advise the spawn of Fox News, the Trump campaign ― Rupert Murdoch’s two sons, James and Lachlan, have taken a bigger role inside the network. If they get their way, some of the knuckle-dragging, opinion-heavy approach to politics may be less welcome at headquarters, clearing the way for journalists like Smith, Chris Wallace, Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly. The brothers are reportedly working hard to woo Kelly, hoping she’ll stay at Fox past the election and help shape the network’s post-Ailes identity.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/shep-smith-fox-news-interview_us_5800f0d1e4b06e0475944919?

So part of me wonders if Fox isn't going to slide left to the center, or right-of-center and Trump TV (or whatever they're going to call it), with Ailes at the helm, will snap up Fox News' opinion content, the remnants of Brietbart and The Blaze…. going to be interesting.

Oct. 18, 2016, 10:35 a.m.
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Can this dude not shoot himself in the foot for at least 24 hours?

“We have Putin, who has no respect for Obama at all — doesn’t like him, and doesn’t respect him,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Savage, calling the difficulties “a really catastrophic situation here, I’ll be honest with you.”

He added, “If I win on Nov. 8, I could see myself meeting with Putin and meeting with Russia prior to the start of the administration.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/us/politics/russia-putin-trump.html?_r=0

Oct. 18, 2016, 11:44 a.m.
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Not that I really want to dive into the whole 'Boob thread' discussions here, so I'll just say this. I'm struggling to figure out how it is in the best interest of women to stifle a discussion condemning a presidential candidate for misogynistic comments and sexual assault, by calling everyone hypocrites, because a few guys carried on posting boob pictures far longer than it should have gone on. One would think that encouraging discussion of matters like this, and showing that that behavior is wrong, might be more helpful in reducing the number of posts objectifying women here on NSMB.
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Perhaps pointing out the hypocrisy will open discussion which will make for a change in the behaviour, because this is 2016 and so things you/I did 30-40 years ago are no longer kosher …unless you ARE on a boobs [HTML_REMOVED] soft porn site

Boobs/soft porn on NSMB haven't gone away, bump the thread and it will be top of the forum … same as it ever was

Oct. 18, 2016, 1:42 p.m.
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Can this dude not shoot himself in the foot for at least 24 hours?

Nothin' wrong with the impulse of detente. You'd rather HRC started a shooting war with the russkies I suppose.

Freedom of contract. We sell them guns that kill them; they sell us drugs that kill us.

Oct. 19, 2016, 11:39 a.m.
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Nothin' wrong with the impulse of detente. You'd rather HRC started a shooting war with the russkies I suppose.

You'd rather pull out and let Assad get back to gassing and bombing his own people I suppose.

See how stupid false dichotomies are?

Oct. 19, 2016, 12:43 p.m.
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You'd rather pull out and let Assad get back to gassing and bombing his own people I suppose.

See how stupid false dichotomies are?

The only thing false is your grasp of the situation.

United Nations investigators encountered evidence that alleged chemical weapons attacks by the Syrian military were staged by jihadist rebels and their supporters, but still decided to blame the government for two incidents in which chlorine was allegedly dispersed via improvised explosives dropped by helicopters.

In both cases, the Syrian government denied that it had any aircraft in the areas at the times of the purported attacks, but the U.N. team rejected that explanation with the curious argument that Syria failed to provide flight records to corroborate the absence of any flights. Yet, if there had been no flights, there would be no flight records.

The controversial map developed by Human Rights Watch and embraced by the New York Times, supposedly showing the flight paths of two missiles from the Aug. 21, 2013 sarin attack intersecting at a Syrian military base. The analysis was later discredited when aeronautical experts found that the one missile carrying sarin had only one-fourth the necessary range.

The U.N. team also dismissed out of hand the possibility that jihadist rebels who had overrun some air bases and thus had operational helicopters at their disposal might have used them as part of a staged event designed to incriminate the Damascus regime and thus justify U.S. or other outside military intervention.

Another problem with the U.N. team[HTML_REMOVED]#8217;s findings is that the home-made chlorine bombs had minimal military value, inflicting relatively few casualties and only a handful of deaths.

Why the Syrian government, which was under intense international pressure regarding alleged chemical weapons use and was in the process of surrendering its stockpile of such weapons, would have jerry-rigged a handful of homemade bombs and dropped them for no discernible military effect makes little sense.

However, since Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has been thoroughly demonized over his harsh reaction to an uprising that began in 2011, pretty much any accusation against him [HTML_REMOVED]#8211; no matter how unlikely or implausible [HTML_REMOVED]#8211; is widely accepted in the mainstream Western media and political circles. In other words, the U.N. team was under pressure to reach a guilty verdict.

Accusations of Staging….

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/08/un-team-heard-claims-of-staged-chemical-attacks/

Good Deaths in Mosul, Bad Deaths in Aleppo

Freedom of contract. We sell them guns that kill them; they sell us drugs that kill us.

Oct. 19, 2016, 1:19 p.m.
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Perhaps pointing out the hypocrisy will open discussion which will make for a change in the behaviour, because this is 2016 and so things you/I did 30-40 years ago are no longer kosher …unless you ARE on a boobs [HTML_REMOVED] soft porn site

Boobs/soft porn on NSMB haven't gone away, bump the thread and it will be top of the forum … same as it ever was

Are you still insisting that having the boobs thread on NBR makes us hypocrites for criticizing Trump? I am no angel, although I think I have improved and matured with age, but Trump's spiel about how he grabs women by the pussy is clearly a step beyond "locker room talk" or checking out boobs, especially since it appears that came right out of his hand book for approaching women. He was in his late 50's when he said that as well.

Now if we were to all condemn him because he loves beauty pageants you might have a case, but letting our immaturity get the best of us with a thread about boobs doesn't mean we can't criticize Trump. Not only that, but I for one hold a far lower standard for all of you than I do someone running for POTUS.

And for what it is worth, I don't think the boob thread is holding back the women. On the front page right now we have threads on F1 racing and Star Wars. We don't need to disparage women for them to not come here, we can do a fine job by just talking mainly about "guy stuff".

Oct. 19, 2016, 1:57 p.m.
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The only thing false is your grasp of the situation.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/08/un-team-heard-claims-of-staged-chemical-attacks/

Good Deaths in Mosul, Bad Deaths in Aleppo

Let me get this straight, you create a bullshit false dichotomy that because I oppose Trump that I'd rather Clinton starts a war with Russia, which is a textbook false dichotomy. I make an obvious false dichotomy to demonstrate to you how ridiculous they are, I even tell you that what I said was stupid and you accuse me of not being able to grasp something? :lol: Pure gold.

Oct. 19, 2016, 2:31 p.m.
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Are you still insisting that having the boobs thread on NBR makes us hypocrites for criticizing Trump? I am no angel, although I think I have improved and matured with age, but Trump's spiel about how he grabs women by the pussy is clearly a step beyond "locker room talk" or checking out boobs, especially since it appears that came right out of his hand book for approaching women. He was in his late 50's when he said that as well.

Now if we were to all condemn him because he loves beauty pageants you might have a case, but letting our immaturity get the best of us with a thread about boobs doesn't mean we can't criticize Trump. Not only that, but I for one hold a far lower standard for all of you than I do someone running for POTUS.

And for what it is worth, I don't think the boob thread is holding back the women. On the front page right now we have threads on F1 racing and Star Wars. We don't need to disparage women for them to not come here, we can do a fine job by just talking mainly about "guy stuff".

I was struggling to come up with a response yesterday, but couldn't find the right words, thank you.

I would agree that, if all Trump did was talk about how big some ladies boobs were, it would be hypocritical to condemn Trump for his behavior. That's not what he did, so I don't see anyone 'pointing out hypocrisy', I see someone creating a false equivalence. He has admitted to sexually assaulting women, whether you choose to actually acknowledge it for what it is, or not, it minimizes what Trump did and said when you equate it to a dying thread on a forum that two or three people are keeping alive.

Beyond that, aren't there more effective ways of dealing with the issue of misogyny here on NSMB? Like actually addressing the two or three people perpetuating the thread in question directly? or contacting the thread creator and having them delete it? or creating a new thread to specifically address soft porn threads where we could try and have the rules changed.

I think that's what I'm having an issue grasping, how approaching the topic by casting everyone here as hypocrites, whether they're complicit in the perpetuation of soft porn threads or not, is in any way beneficial?

Moving on….

Any predictions about how brutal the debate will be tonight? I think it's going to hit a 9/10, with 1 being Obama/Romney and 10 being a straight up flaming dumpster, being launched from a large trebuchet onto a rotten garbage barge.

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