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Dieppe Was A Diversion??

Aug. 21, 2012, 7:50 p.m.
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To help Ian Fleming?

http://o.canada.com/2012/08/17/new-research-suggests-world-war-ii-raid-on-dieppe-may-have-been-attempt-to-find-nazi-enigma-machine/

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Aug. 21, 2012, 8:36 p.m.
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Wait, I thought it were an exploratory probe to get the Germans to reveal all.

Harper said so on the CBC.

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Aug. 21, 2012, 9:29 p.m.
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Lots of theories … another one was that it was a pet project given to the incompetent cousin of the King whose nickname in the Admiralty was "the Master of Disaster" to conceive, plan and execute using expendable colonials.

In 1942, the different branches of British intelligence seemed more intent on fighting each other than the Germans:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXbcVaQM4E0

Aug. 22, 2012, 8:02 a.m.
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Lots of theories … another one was that it was a pet project given to the incompetent cousin of the King whose nickname in the Admiralty was "the Master of Disaster" to conceive, plan and execute using expendable colonials.

In 1942, the different branches of British intelligence seemed more intent on fighting each other than the Germans:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXbcVaQM4E0

The St Nazaire Raid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid

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Aug. 22, 2012, 10:08 a.m.
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I suspect that the diversion story is a bit of a fiction at this point… Dieppe was a total shit show and horrendous for those sent into it. I have personally thought of it more as a high-cost training exercise for D-Day, since the methods were pretty similar.

Aug. 22, 2012, 10:23 a.m.
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I suspect that the diversion story is a bit of a fiction at this point… Dieppe was a total shit show and horrendous for those sent into it. I have personally thought of it more as a high-cost training exercise for D-Day, since the methods were pretty similar.

I missed it on Sunday as we where moving to our new place. But there was a hour program on History Channel by a DND researcher who looked at 100,000 documents and such. Some has been recently been declassiified. And the documents talk of a highly secret commando unit 30 Assualt Unit,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Assault_Unit

And the fact that the biggest goal of the whole raid was the capture of documents, Enigma codebooks, and if possible any Enigma machines/parts of the Kriegsmarine. Which was hugely important as at the time there was little they knew of the Enigma used by the Kriegsmarine vs the Whermacht version. As the allies had already had access to the Whermahct version thanks to Polish Intelligence prior to the fall of Poland.

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Aug. 22, 2012, 1:07 p.m.
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*Wehrmacht

Aug. 22, 2012, 1:10 p.m.
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*Wehrmacht

Fixed

Details on Counter Punch at 11.

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Aug. 22, 2012, 3:41 p.m.
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The St Nazaire Raid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid

Thanks for this. Made for a great read.

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Aug. 22, 2012, 4:01 p.m.
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Hmmmm … don't you think they could have dreamed up a better diversion than lining up 6,000 guys in daylight(landing at 5 am, in the middle of summer) for Jerry target practice? Sounds like bogus ass-covering to me.

Aug. 22, 2012, 4:56 p.m.
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Hmmmm … don't you think they could have dreamed up a better diversion than lining up 6,000 guys in daylight(landing at 5 am, in the middle of summer) for Jerry target practice? Sounds like bogus ass-covering to me.

'zactly.

Aug. 22, 2012, 5:18 p.m.
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could well be duncan , but as the WWII veterans get fewer and fewer , there will be efforts made ( by them and others ) to find reasons to justify why they were there . sort of helps them to find meaning to have gone through the things they did .

i can't even truly imagine what it would have been like to have been a survivor of some of that combat , and if i did , i'd probably be one of those PTSD basket cases .

Aug. 22, 2012, 5:34 p.m.
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Hmmmm … don't you think they could have dreamed up a better diversion than lining up 6,000 guys in daylight(landing at 5 am, in the middle of summer) for Jerry target practice? Sounds like bogus ass-covering to me.

Well to be fair. Some of the blame lies squarely at the feet of Canadian politicians. Who kept badgering Churchill and British Command for the Canadian Army to see combat in the European theatre. As prior to this it was only the RCN and the RCAF who had seen any.. Battle of the Atlantic and the Battle of Britain respectively. Irony is if Ian Flemings 30 Assault Unit had succeeded the RCN and RN would have hugely benefitted.

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