Convoy

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

There's mining trucks joining the convoy from somewhere. I can link up the tweet later but that'd require some level of corporate endorsement. 

I think a lot of you no convoy types are underestimating the general support of the underlying idea. That being open us back up if masks and vaccines aren't as efficient or effective as we were told.

I think you might be overestimating the general support. A few thousand people clogging up a downtown core can seem like a lot of support, but in reality it's a minority of the population. The protest here in Van this past weekend had maybe what, 2000 people? That represents maybe  0.08% of the total population and around 0.1% of the working age population. Sure, there's probably more people at home who support the idea, but even then they would not represent a significant percent of the population. What percent do you feel it would be necessary where the people that support the underlying idea of the protest would manage some sway in directing public policy? 10%? 20% I think not until the support was at 25% or higher would those views have any sort of influence on public policy. And even then, those views would have to be weighed against the available science and data. There is more to this than just masks and vaccines and if you start looking at regional data in terms of infections, sickness and death and weigh that against things like masks, vaccines, environmental factors, data issues and I even think the health of peoples' immune systems in relation to their environment then you might start to see why some regions with fewer restrictions are faring the same or similar to regions with more restrictions. In short, convoy people are looking at things with too narrow a lens.

I'm not saying their voice should be ignored or that they don't have a right to express their views or protest to support their views, but the amount of support they have is quite a way off from anything that represents a significant portion of the population. Add to that the fact that their views are generally unfounded or based in false or faulty info, then their voice really has limited say and they've reached the point where their right to protest has to be weighed against the rights of others to enjoy the very freedoms they say they are arguing for. The convoy protest is now was past their due and they either need to move on in recognition of that or be prepared to be moved out by provincial or federal authority figures.

This article from Bookings delves into the issue of the difference in mortality between high income and low income countries if you want to get a sense of why there seems to be disparities.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2020/05/05/the-unreal-dichotomy-in-covid-19-mortality-between-high-income-and-developing-countries/

Being “no convoy” has low correlation to thoughts on mandates, masking policies, feelings on JT.

I can simultaneously be pro-vaccine, believe we should be done with masks, be easing restrictions, but be pro mandates in some scenarios AND still think Trudeau is a d-bag and the domestic terrorists occupying Ottawa should be arrested.

Complicated world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yBaKZf3Bq8

Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Being “no convoy” has low correlation to thoughts on mandates, masking policies, feelings on JT.

I can simultaneously be pro-vaccine, believe we should be done with masks, be easing restrictions, but be pro mandates in some scenarios AND still think Trudeau is a d-bag and the domestic terrorists occupying Ottawa should be arrested.

Complicated world.

This.

Posted by: Ride.DMC

Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Being “no convoy” has low correlation to thoughts on mandates, masking policies, feelings on JT.

I can simultaneously be pro-vaccine, believe we should be done with masks, be easing restrictions, but be pro mandates in some scenarios AND still think Trudeau is a d-bag and the domestic terrorists occupying Ottawa should be arrested.

Complicated world.

This.

Yes we have all had enough..... two years pretty much and still going. There is no this side/that side, that's what media/social media want for more clicks.

Comes down to is what effect is the current strain having on the medical system? When the numbers are low the mandates go away.  The small group of people willing to hold a country hostage not being able to figure this out.....really are too dumb to be calling the shots.

Posted by: bux-bux

Posted by: Ride.DMC

Yes we have all had enough..... two years pretty much and still going. There is no this side/that side, that's what media/social media want for more clicks.

Comes down to is what effect is the current strain having on the medical system? When the numbers are low the mandates go away.  The small group of people willing to hold a country hostage not being able to figure this out.....really are too dumb to be calling the shots.

This is the crux of it. As long as the hospitals are in danger of filling up we can't just let it rip. 

I start having thoughts like can't we just deny covid treatment to the unvaccinated but I always end up walking myself back from that abyss.

what you think about Trudeau is just what you think and actualy has just slightly > zero to do with this situation

love him or hate him Trudeau was elected by the laws of  this constitutional monarchy to run the country for the next 3 years

the people atempting to incite an insurrection are scum, he doesnt need to meet with them and if he did what/ who exactly is he meeting with ?

Posted by: syncro

I think you might be overestimating the general support. A few thousand people clogging up a downtown core can seem like a lot of support, but in reality it's a minority of the population. The protest here in Van this past weekend had maybe what, 2000 people? ...

For the Global Climate Strike in 2019 in Vancouver, police estimated the crowd downtown at 100,000 people

Time for a petition or march in support of masks, vaccines, science, health care experts etc. Actually with ~90% of the population already vaccinated, it should indicate the majority of Canadians are probably against the FreeDumb Convoy.

I can't believe that some Federal politicians are pandering to the 10%.

Posted by: taprider

I can't believe that some Federal politicians are pandering to the 10%.

I have a feeling that these 10% would probably be the same 10% that's on Facebook's pursuadeables list

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

There's mining trucks joining the convoy from somewhere. I can link up the tweet later but that'd require some level of corporate endorsement. 

I think a lot of you no convoy types are underestimating the general support of the underlying idea. That being open us back up if masks and vaccines aren't as efficient or effective as we were told.

A lot of you no convoy types

You mean the VAST majority of Canadians?

Posted by: tashi

These people are sitting in the theater while the credits are running yelling about how it’s too dark. FFS, the lights are just about to come on people, have you never been to a movie before?

Exactly.  And when the lights come on they are going to high five each other and wonder why everyone isn't thanking them.

A lot of stuff has been disproven, I  think mining trucks joining the convoy is just more disinformation

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: tashi

These people are sitting in the theater while the credits are running yelling about how it’s too dark. FFS, the lights are just about to come on people, have you never been to a movie before?

Exactly.  And when the lights come on they are going to high five each other and wonder why everyone isn't thanking them.

Counterpoint - and here's where I can be for the removal of restrictions, but against the domestic terrorist encampment - I think the lights have come on, and we're being slow to acknowledge it.

Posted by: Couch_Surfer

Posted by: chupacabra

Posted by: tashi

These people are sitting in the theater while the credits are running yelling about how it’s too dark. FFS, the lights are just about to come on people, have you never been to a movie before?

Exactly.  And when the lights come on they are going to high five each other and wonder why everyone isn't thanking them.

Counterpoint - and here's where I can be for the removal of restrictions, but against the domestic terrorist encampment - I think the lights have come on, and we're being slow to acknowledge it.

I think it is coming, but we had 18 deaths just yesterday in BC.  We have a learned a lot of lessons in the last 2 years and one of them has to be 'don't jump the gun'.  Talking to people about COVID recently there is a real sense of optimism that getting back to business as usual is just around the corner so dropping everything now just seems premature.  Festivals are being planned for the summer again and all of the health ministers have indicated this will be the case as well. 

I think we are likely past any new spikes in cases and Alberta and Saskatchewan will be the guinea pigs to let us know how quickly we can re-open.