Connecticut School Shooting ?
The U.S. Military is the most powerful in the world. If the US were oppressing it's people to the point where insurrection is the only option, does anyone honestly think that AR15's are all we would need to successfully take them down? It's a joke. Our military has tanks, body armor, chemical weapons, nukes, missiles, attack helicoptors and so on.
I brought this same point up once with a pro-gun guy online and he basically called me a pussy for not wanting to fight to the death. It seems to me protecting my hypothetical ability to fight my government to the death is not worth the realistic cost in lives from not being able to talk openly about gun control.
This is the biggest issue when it comes to having a rational conversation on gun control. So many guys view themselves as bad ass commandos and to suggest that they shouldn't have unlimited access to any and all weapons is the equivalent to castrating Rambo.
Stop the petty arguing and do something to help these families. Takes 5 minutes and then you can go back to the e-thug stuff.
https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/
Wish I could afford more this time of year, but let's get a few more of you doing the same:
This is not a poor neighborhood/area: http://www.city-data.com/income/income-Newtown-Connecticut.html
I don't make as much as 90% of these people, but nice sentiment for those making way
more than me.
But thanks for trying with the guilt trip.
2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.The 2nd amendment is not just about guns. It is about arms, or weapons of war. The British had barred colonists from owning arms: including swords, muskets, cannons, warships. The 2nd amendment provides the right of the people to be armed to overthrow an oppressive government. It initially covered ALL WEAPONS of war. You have to remember this was a completely different time. At this time, only land owners could vote. The moneyed class ran the country, while the majority of people were indentured servants. A musket was prohibitively expensive for the average person, costing something like 50% of the average man's annual salary.
The U.S. Military is the most powerful in the world. If the US were oppressing it's people to the point where insurrection is the only option, does anyone honestly think that AR15's are all we would need to successfully take them down? It's a joke. Our military has tanks, body armor, chemical weapons, nukes, missiles, attack helicoptors and so on. IMO, the current wording has no relevance to the current day. Explosives are highly regulated. Knives, swords, and bayonets have stricter regulations than guns do.
The interpretation of the 2nd amendment has changed dramatically over the years. I won't attempt to go into exhaustive detail, as many, many books have been written on the subject but will point out a few key changes over the years:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act of 1934. Ban on machine guns and sawed off shotguns, "gangster weapons" as a response to the lawlessnes of prohibition 1920s. They were was a push to ban handguns at the same time…. it's interesting to note that this law came AFTER prohibition had been repealed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968
Response to assasinations of JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm X.Crime control act of 1990. Barred semi-auto assault rifles. This is the ban that Bush Jr. let expire. The assault rifle used in this most recent killing was purchased legally, after the act had been let expire.
There have been a series of supreme court cases that have shaped out interpretation as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Guess what, the Afghans and Iraqis kicked our asses with little more than "assault" rifles
and most were homemade.
I don't think any American said the constitution 'can't' be change, just that it shouldn't
be changed.
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"i surf because, i"m always a better person when i come in"-Andy Irons
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Absolutely, no question.
In addition I would add that people who refuse to acknowledge that psychotropic drugs may in fact be part of the problem are themselves part of the problem.
http://www.cchrint.org/pdfs/Psychiatric_Drugs_Cause_Violence.pdf
You cite some crappy paper from a group founded by Scientology?
It is easy to dodge our responsibilities, but we cannot dodge the consequences of dodging our responsibilities.
- Josiah Stamp
Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race.
- H.G. Wells
Guess what, the Afghans and Iraqis kicked our asses with little more than "assault" rifles
and most were homemade.
No. They didn't 'kick our asses' and if you think they did, maybe you should have a look at the number of Americans dead compared to Afghans and Iraqis.
This is not a poor neighborhood/area: http://www.city-data.com/income/income-Newtown-Connecticut.html
I don't make as much as 90% of these people, but nice sentiment for those making way
more than me.But thanks for trying with the guilt trip.
There are those that need, and those that do not. I'll always help the former and you'll always be a selfish dick.
The U.S. Military is the most powerful in the world. If the US were oppressing it's people to the point where insurrection is the only option, does anyone honestly think that AR15's are all we would need to successfully take them down? It's a joke. Our military has tanks, body armor, chemical weapons, nukes, missiles, attack helicoptors and so on. IMO, the current wording has no relevance to the current day. Explosives are highly regulated. Knives, swords, and bayonets have stricter regulations than guns do.
And before that the British Empire was the mighty military of the world. Yet despite this technological superiority Boer Commando's caused significant damage to the British. This was observed by Sir Winston Churchill who suggested a similar force in September 1940 just after the end of the Battle of France and the French surrender to the Nazis. The British commandos for such a small force with no tanks, artilllery, and what ever else the regular units had. Where so effective that they caused Adolf Hitler to issue the Commando Order.
One does not need tanks and artillery to engage tanks. Look at the Finn's during the winter war against the vastly better equipped RSoviet army.
No. They didn't 'kick our asses' and if you think they did, maybe you should have a look at the number of Americans dead compared to Afghans and Iraqis.
But in the end, who really controls the place? That's the end result. It's been shown that
a populous that doesn't want it's regime can take their country back, even if they don't
have tanks and planes and shit.
There are those that need, and those that do not. I'll always help the former and you'll always be a selfish dick.
Oh, I give, just not to every "new" cause that pops up. But thanks for being sanctimonious.
Do you also broadcast your "causes" on your bumper and back window too? Smug pastard.
Same with beggars on the street. Just because I don't give to them, doesn't mean the
homeless and hungry don't get my money.
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"i surf because, i"m always a better person when i come in"-Andy Irons
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When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity.
When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called religion.
Kn, can you tell me why only 2 people died in the recent shooting in a Portland mall, rather than 20 or 30?
MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction. It's been keeping America free since the cold war.
That's the problem with cities, they're refuges for the weak, the fish that didn't evolve.
I don't want to google this - sounds like a thing that NSMB will be better at.
Oh, I give, just not to every "new" cause that pops up. But thanks for being sanctimonious.
Do you also broadcast your "causes" on your bumper and back window too? Smug pastard.
Same with beggars on the street. Just because I don't give to them, doesn't mean the
homeless and hungry don't get my money.
You must be American.
No, I don't broadcast usually, I was hoping to inject some positive into this thread that you took as your personal soapbox of hypocrisy
You must be American.
No, I don't broadcast usually, I was hoping to inject some positive into this thread that you took as your personal soapbox of hypocrisy
Post a link not your receipt. One is being positive and helpful the other is being sanctimonious
or in the very least a braggart.
And your reaction to my comment calling me a dick because you assume anyone that doesn't
bow to your massive generosity (wish I could give more, implies any less isn't enough)
must be an uncaring dick.
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"i surf because, i"m always a better person when i come in"-Andy Irons
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I did post a link first. I called you a dink because you stated they don't need money because it's a community of rich people. Don't know too many rich teachers, especially dead ones.
Post a link not your receipt. One is being positive and helpful the other is being sanctimonious
or in the very least a braggart.
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anyone that knows Zed will know that couldn't be further from the truth
there's no harm in showing some compassion and trying to help to some people that really need it right now.
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