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Climate Change - so I'm starting to panic a bit

July 9, 2019, 5:38 p.m.
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Posted by: KenN

Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus

During the air travel ban post 9/11, global temps dropped 1-2c.

Incorrect. Local temperatures in US dropped due to weather patterns. Global temperatures did not drop, and any localized temperature drops were not attributable to less air travel.

Science!!! --> https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2008GL036108

"Thus, both datasets show that low clouds are the dominant cloud influence on DTR. High clouds, of which contrails are a subset, have a very minor, if any, influence on the DTR anomalies. 

We conclude that the increase of the diurnal temperature range over the United States during the three-day grounding period of 11 – 14 September 2001 cannot be attributed to the absence of contrails. While missing contrails may have affected the DTR, their impact is probably too small to detect with a statistical significance. The variations in high cloud cover, including contrails and contrail-induced cirrus clouds, contribute weakly to the changes in the diurnal temperature range, which is governed primarily by lower altitude clouds, winds, and humidity"

So what happened to those clouds and is Sept 11-14 2001 the only instance of this weather subset?

July 9, 2019, 8:52 p.m.
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My apologies for not doing my homework, but can someone here tell me if anyone here is arguing that climate-change is free from human meddling?

No need to reply directly, just ask if they also believe the earth is flat and six thousand years old, that we should be teaching the controversy of gravity and evolution and if their parents shared parents.

July 9, 2019, 9:01 p.m.
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Posted by: ReductiMat

My apologies for not doing my homework, but can someone here tell me if anyone here is arguing we should be teaching the controversy of gravity 

that would be that chupacabra guy

July 10, 2019, 12:53 a.m.
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Cdn content.... https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/09/when-natures-feedback-loops-fail/

July 11, 2019, 7:03 a.m.
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https://crowtherlab.pageflow.io/cities-of-the-future-visualizing-climate-change-to-inspire-action#213121

July 11, 2019, 8:37 a.m.
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Posted by: Sethimus

https://crowtherlab.pageflow.io/cities-of-the-future-visualizing-climate-change-to-inspire-action#213121

Maybe we need to start planting Redwoods.

July 11, 2019, 10:42 a.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Maybe we need to start planting Redwoods.

Stop transportation using oil (driving, flying, shipping), stop eating meat and stop using fossil fuels for heat and electricity. Do all of those and the problem would pretty much disappear overnight. 

Who’s ready?

July 11, 2019, 12:43 p.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: chupacabra

Maybe we need to start planting Redwoods.

Stop transportation using oil (driving, flying, shipping), stop eating meat and stop using fossil fuels for heat and electricity. Do all of those and the problem would pretty much disappear overnight. 

Who’s ready?

I think most people are ready for those changes but they require major involvement from the world's governments.  No more meat would be a tough one for me, but when steaks are 50 bucks a piece I would go veggie pretty quick.  The sad thing is that our problems don't disappear overnight even if we go carbon neutral tomorrow.  It would take about 40 years to level off.

July 11, 2019, 7:37 p.m.
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No one is ready for that. 

Our food supply chains (for example) are dependent on oil, from start to finish.

Those changes will take decades, and that’s if the entire market wants those changes to happen. Which it doesn’t.

July 11, 2019, 7:39 p.m.
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Posted by: tashi

No one is ready for that. 

Our food supply chains (for example) are dependent on oil, from start to finish.

Those changes will take decades, and that’s if the entire market wants those changes to happen. Which it doesn’t.

so in other words we are screwed.

what's the plan then? live it up knowing/hoping you'll die before things go to hell?

July 11, 2019, 7:58 p.m.
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Yeah I believe that humans will go extinct. Virtually every other organism does, and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that we’re special. Our ability to co-operate is exceptional but unbelievable that it’s not useful on the scale we need it to be to “save the planet” (ourselves).

I’ll focus on my immediate surroundings because that’s what I can have an effect upon. Individuals can do virtually nothing to effect change on the scale that you’re describing.  Life is already heaven/hell, depending on how you live. Climate change won’t change that. Us rich folk will be good for a while.


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July 11, 2019, 9:42 p.m.
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Posted by: tashi

Us rich folk will be good for a while.

I wouldn't bet on it.

https://fpif.org/the-world-needs-a-water-treaty/

July 12, 2019, 1:27 a.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: chupacabra

Maybe we need to start planting Redwoods.

Stop transportation using oil (driving, flying, shipping), stop eating meat and stop using fossil fuels for heat and electricity. Do all of those and the problem would pretty much disappear overnight. 

Who’s ready?

That would only keep the warming rate steady instead of rising exponentially

July 12, 2019, 1:28 a.m.
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Posted by: syncro

Posted by: tashi

No one is ready for that. 

Our food supply chains (for example) are dependent on oil, from start to finish.

Those changes will take decades, and that’s if the entire market wants those changes to happen. Which it doesn’t.

so in other words we are screwed.

what's the plan then? live it up knowing/hoping you'll die before things go to hell?

moving up north...

July 12, 2019, 5:44 a.m.
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https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/07/weight-of-the-world-climate-change-scientist-grief/

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/j5w374/climate-despair-is-making-people-give-up-on-life

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