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Feb. 16, 2019, 1:43 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

, western media is the freest in the world. 

I wouldn't be so sure...

A Capitol Police crackdown turned physical Thursday afternoon, when officers clashed with reporters attempting to speak with senators in a location known as key territory for lawmakers and media to mix: the Senate basement.

Capitol Police officers physically shoved reporters away from senators heading to vote on the spending package, even when lawmakers were willingly engaging with the press. 

Officers surrounded lawmakers and escorted them, physically blocking reporters from walking and talking alongside senators. It is common for Capitol Police to be present in the basement during a vote, but there were many more officers on hand than usual. 

“It got really ugly,” said Paul McLeod, a BuzzFeed immigration reporter who witnessed the escalation.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/capitol-police-crackdown-press-escalates-physical-altercation

Feb. 16, 2019, 3:33 p.m.
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Western media is the freest in the world.  Without question.

That said, I can't imagine a lower bar to overcome.

Feb. 16, 2019, 9:08 p.m.
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Posted by: chupacabra

Maduro .... you just assume he would hold fair elections?. Why?

Just because you hate when I do this...lol

The United States is attempting to seize control of another sovereign nation, Venezuela. Having no speck of standing within Venezuela or in international law, the U.S. is resorting to regime change by edict. The Trump administration has simply proclaimed that the President of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro, recently re-elected with over 6 million votes (68%), is now replaced by Juan Guaidó, who had not even run for the office and therefore received zero votes (0%), and whom 81% of Venezuelans had never heard of. But, like a good bench-warmer, Guaidó got the dreamed-for call from the coach—literally, a phone call from the offensive coordinatorU.S. Vice President—and the next day swore himself in as President of Venezuela, under the authority granted to him by the government of the United States. All The Right Moves.

Somehow these electoral results add up to the fact that Maduro is a “dictator.” Somehow the electoral system that, in 2012, the notorious socialist rag Forbescalled “A Model For The World” and Jimmy Carter called: “the best in the world”–thesame one that was A-OK in 2015, when it produced an opposition winin the National Assembly elections—was “illegitimate” and a “sham” in 2018.

We know this because the hardline Venezuelan opposition faction said so. That’s the faction that refused to participate along with the other sixteen parties in the early election the opposition parties called for, and which asked international institutions notto send observers (a demand request most of those institutions, for some reason surely unrelated to U.S. bribes and threats, obeyed). We know this because the U.S. government, which threatened the government of Venezuela with further sanctions for holding the elections, and threatened the main opposition candidate (Henri Falcón) with individual sanctions for participating—said so. We know this because a whole bunch of Serious People who didn’t set foot in the country said so.

We know the election was a “sham” despite the fact that over 300 international election observers who were actually present in Venezuela found, as the EU delegation said, that the elections were “fraud-proof [and] were conducted fairly.” Reasonable, since an outstanding 54% of voting machines were audited against hand-counted paper ballots, in front of representatives of all parties and open access to citizens, with results posted locally. Which is perhaps why “no evidence or concrete reports of fraud have been presented.” (Please do judge for yourself here,and here, and here.)

We know this because the U.S. government and its Serious Sycophants are the arbiters of what’s “democracy” and what’s ”dictatorship” and what’s good for Venezuela, and if they declare that the guy who won a couple of elections by millions of votes is a “dictator,” and the guy who did not even run is the “legitimate” President—well, that’s one of those new proclamations that becomes an established fact because all the Right People keep saying it. What it’s not, what you can never suggest it may be, is a crock of excuses for the U.S. and its Venezuelan compradors who didn’t want to participate in an election that they knew they could not win.

(You might notice the new rule, which we’ve seen in Palestine, with EU-treaties, and now Venezuela: elections don’t count unless you get the result the Serious People want.)

You'll have to click the link to access the bolded hot links... https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/15/the-siege-of-venezuela-and-the-travails-of-empire/


 Last edited by: tungsten on Feb. 16, 2019, 9:09 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Feb. 17, 2019, 3:36 p.m.
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Tungsten, this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

Feb. 17, 2019, 8:52 p.m.
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Posted by: ReductiMat

Tungsten, this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

Matter of time until this dude is poisoned, with Putin vowing to catch the person who did it, lol.

Feb. 18, 2019, 5:02 p.m.
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Posted by: Stuminator

Posted by: ReductiMat

Tungsten, this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

Matter of time until this dude is poisoned, with Putin vowing to catch the person who did it, lol.

Obviously groomed by the CIA.


 Last edited by: tungsten on Feb. 18, 2019, 5:03 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Feb. 19, 2019, 1:37 a.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

Posted by: Stuminator

Posted by: ReductiMat

Tungsten, this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

Matter of time until this dude is poisoned, with Putin vowing to catch the person who did it, lol.

Obviously groomed by the CIA.

I had hope for you.

Feb. 19, 2019, 10:26 a.m.
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Posted by: ReductiMat

Posted by: tungsten

Posted by: Stuminator

Posted by: ReductiMat

Tungsten, this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

Matter of time until this dude is poisoned, with Putin vowing to catch the person who did it, lol.

Obviously groomed by the CIA.

I had hope for you.

Just imagine the outrage if the ruskies were doing as below.

https://www.rt.com/news/359351-russia-us-ngo-usaid/

Wow....

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/19/sir-richard-bransons-venezuelan-border-pr-stunt/


 Last edited by: tungsten on Feb. 19, 2019, 10:38 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Feb. 19, 2019, 11:20 a.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

You'll have to click the link to access the bolded hot links... https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/15/the-siege-of-venezuela-and-the-travails-of-empire/

What a rabbit hole.  Don't you get a little suspicious the CounterPunch and GlobalResearch just link to each other to back up their claims?  They use a lot of dodgy sources too.  What makes you think they are reliable?  It is so hard to find any sources to back their claims that it is like reverse engineering a research paper based on stats from various Twitter feeds.  

I am not going lie, I don't know much about Venezuela, but I do know that when a country is going through an extreme shortage of basic needs and a mass exodus into neighboring countries, the incumbent doesn't usually get 68% of the vote for his/her bang-up job leading the nation.  It is also troubling that the turnout of the vote dropped by almost half from the election before.  

Something stinks in Caracas my friend and it can't all be pinned on Uncle Sam.

Feb. 19, 2019, 1:04 p.m.
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Perhaps they were better off under Chavez?

Feb. 19, 2019, 3:36 p.m.
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Posted by: Stuminator

Perhaps they were better off under Chavez?

They were, but the torch Chavez handed Maduro was made of flaming dog shit.

Feb. 19, 2019, 5:34 p.m.
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They use a lot of dodgy sources too

lol...and your sources aren't?

One moar time - it's a country under siege from within as well as without.

Example - the Venezuelan who imports the bulk of food products is a fascist oligarch who chooses not to stock the shelves of his stores with necessities during this time.

Interesting... https://haitiliberte.com/haitis-unfolding-revolution-is-directly-linked-to-venezuelas/


 Last edited by: tungsten on Feb. 19, 2019, 8:20 p.m., edited 3 times in total.
Feb. 20, 2019, 12:04 p.m.
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Posted by: tungsten

They use a lot of dodgy sources too

lol...and your sources aren't?

One moar time - it's a country under siege from within as well as without.

Example - the Venezuelan who imports the bulk of food products is a fascist oligarch who chooses not to stock the shelves of his stores with necessities during this time.

Interesting... https://haitiliberte.com/haitis-unfolding-revolution-is-directly-linked-to-venezuelas/

Trust me, I appreciate the irony of Trump telling Maduro he is an illegitimate leader due to a corrupted election, but I support calls from the international community for Venezuela to call another election with observers that have full access so they can properly choose their leader. Counterpunch doesn't even seem to agree with either of us. You said that they are "under siege from within as well as without", but this is from the article you posted:

Somehow these electoral results add up to the fact that Maduro is a “dictator.” Somehow the electoral system that, in 2012, the notorious socialist rag Forbes called “A Model For The World” and Jimmy Carter called: “the best in the world”–the same one that was A-OK in 2015, when it produced an opposition winin the National Assembly elections—was “illegitimate” and a “sham” in 2018.

They are saying that the election system was hailed in 2012, therefore, it was A OK in 2015 and was definitely AA OK in 2018. Nothing to see here but IMPERIALISM! There is no siege from within, just without, even though their current crisis happened under Maduro/Chavez. There is never anyone to blame but the wicked witch we call the West.


 Last edited by: chupacabra on Feb. 20, 2019, 12:07 p.m., edited 3 times in total.
Feb. 20, 2019, 12:51 p.m.
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[KenN] The opposite of within is not without, it's outside. Without means to not have something, it does not mean outside or exterior to. [/KenN]

Feb. 20, 2019, 2:27 p.m.
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And life flows on within you and without you.

 - Beatles

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