America's Holocaust (graphic content)

Ok, sure. I think Canadian lawmakers have got it right - let it be an individual's choice. If you don't approve of abortions, don't get one.

You still don't get it, do you? This has NOTHING to do with the video and its take on abortion, and all to do with the way the video was presented by the original poster. I called him (you?) a tit because he's using typical evangelist tactics - get a foot in the door with some deceptive bullshit, and then do the old bait-and-switch. It's insulting and patronizing. That's why he's a tit, not because of his beliefs.

Jesus you're grumpy. Go ride your moto you man-fetus.

You might not support Pro life as much as the guy who made the video did, obviously, but you aren't backing up your opionion very well by calling someone a tit for posting it, or thinking he was hoping to get 'high fives and back slaps' as a result of posting it. Thats a problem. People are so passionate 'bout hating on something, yet when it comes down to it, are a bunch of zeros cause they dont even have an educated opinion to share on it.

You still don't get it, do you? This has NOTHING to do with the video and its take on abortion, and all to do with the way the video was presented by the original poster. I called him (you?) a tit because he's using typical evangelist tactics - get a foot in the door with some deceptive bullshit, and then do the old bait-and-switch. It's insulting and patronizing. That's why he's a tit, not because of his beliefs.

I'm not as pissed off as spaz, but I share his sentiment. No one likes to be ambushed.
And people who don't believe in god or religion don't like being ambushed by evangelicals
posing as something else.

Jesus you're grumpy. Go ride your moto you man-fetus.

I'm not as pissed off as spaz, but I share his sentiment. No one likes to be ambushed.
And people who don't believe in god or religion don't like being ambushed by evangelicals
posing as something else.

Fair enough. I just can't stand when tactics like these are used for any purpose. And tactics like these are not limited to bible-thumpers. You see it in marketing all the time, for example.

Check out some of his other "work":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A

that is actually a pretty cool testament to how cool evolution is

Are you sure about that?
Having grown up in Surrey, I know of a few ladies who had multiple abortions in order to keep the population from rising. I know one now, 12 years later who is trying to have a baby with her husband (who I assume doesn't know her slut-like history) and is having a hard time. It seems that after enough abortions, the body may not want to harbor a fetus.

And how many women have children that they or their partners abuse and neglect? Or expect taxpayers to help raise? It is up to the individual to make the right choice. If that choice is to abort because they are not ready for whatever reason to raise a child, then that is a choice I support. I have little time for those that chose to give birth then cry for help raising that child because they made a stupid choice.

I am not religious. I am pro thinking for yourself.

It's been suggested that this discussion could use some more facts and less epinion and conjecture. Along those lines I'd suggest having a look at some of the work done in Alberta. Obviously, this won't directly speak to Surrey girls but as provincial populations aren't as different as we'd like to think I say Alberta is a good sample.

Perinatal Health Report

It's been suggested that this discussion could use some more facts and less epinion and conjecture. Along those lines I'd suggest having a look at some of the work done in Alberta. Obviously, this won't directly speak to Surrey girls but as provincial populations aren't as different as we'd like to think I say Alberta is a good sample.

Perinatal Health Report

Abortions have gone down almost 2% in 5 yrs, and as population increases spontaneous abortions
also increase? What am I supposed to be getting out of this? I didn't see anywhere it mention
when a fetus became a life/child. That is the crux of the issue no? Pro-lifers say at conception
and pro-choice people can't decide.

I look at pro-lifers the same as most people look at the people in this video:

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when a fetus became a life/child. That is the crux of the issue no? Pro-lifers say at conception
and pro-choice people can't decide.

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when a fetus became a life/child. That is the crux of the issue no? Pro-lifers say at conception
and pro-choice people can't decide.

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when a fetus became a life/child. That is the crux of the issue no? Pro-lifers say at conception
and pro-choice people can't decide.

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also increase? What am I supposed to be getting out of this? I didn't see anywhere it mention
when a fetus became a life/child. That is the crux of the issue no? Pro-lifers say at conception
and pro-choice people can't decide.

I look at pro-lifers the same as most people look at the people in this video:
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also increase? What am I supposed to be getting out of this? I didn't see anywhere it mention
when a fetus became a life/child. That is the crux of the issue no? Pro-lifers say at conception
and pro-choice people can't decide.

I look at pro-lifers the same as most people look at the people in this video:

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also increase? What am I supposed to be getting out of this? I didn't see anywhere it mention
when a fetus became a life/child. That is the crux of the issue no? Pro-lifers say at conception
and pro-choice people can't decide.

I look at pro-lifers the same as most people look at the people in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47P59ha9k9s

eggs and sperm are just separate halves and on their own are nothing. Whether you like it or not, once joined, a person is born.

but a zygote outside of the womb in it's own is nothing. both are just varying degrees of potentiality. neither are 'persons'.

What am I supposed to be getting out of this? I didn't see anywhere it mention

The aim of my post was to provide a source of basic information about the event. For example, if someone is going to say abortions are used as birth control this reference could provide numbers around the volume of abortions vs. births vs. miscarriages and inform whether that's a reasonable statement.

My intent wasn't to inform the "when does life start" debate. M thinking was more along the lines of if people are going to fight about say, China, they should know how many people live there and more than the last 2 years' worth of its history. Know what I'm sayin'?

Well….when can the "child" live on it's own? Until that point it is a parasite. It takes
nourishment from the host and gives nothing in return, and without medical treatment can
even harm the host at times. So, I think until the thing can live on it's own, it's a
parasite and can be dealt with by the host as she sees fit. Of course, it's her decision
and hers alone. The father has zero say in it, and our government should have zero say
in it as well.

[It's going to interesting to see how many pro-lifers will neg rep me for this]

based on that definition you could murder a child up until about the age of 5.

based on that definition you could murder a child up until about the age of 5.

fuck them.
theyll gorw up to drive slow infront of me arggggg

I was engaged in a discussion about evolution with some friends the other day, centered around the "Paleo" diet craze. One of my friends said "Well, we didn't really evolve to eat meat or anything else… our intense need for meat came during the flood when we were locked with animals on a boat during the great flood".

I, being of a scientific upbringing, of course disagree with that, and also respect his faith and opinion.

Fortunately, we have a separation of the church and state, though, and our policy decisions aren't based on any one cultures religious beliefs.

What's the point of my little story? Shut up. That's my point.

Worst. Thread. Ever.

I'm not as pissed off as spaz, but I share his sentiment. No one likes to be ambushed.
And people who don't believe in god or religion don't like being ambushed by evangelicals
posing as something else.

Fair enough. The way he did the video starting with the most hated on of people Hitler, then switching it mid conversation, was a little off maybe. The guy is passionate 'bout saving lives, lets use that as a non disrupting under tone to the video.

Whats still getting me is like others have mentioned, when Life starts. Obviously I'll say put the baby up for adoption, every single time. Other points have been made however 'bout expecting tax dollars to raise the child, or the mental state of the mother after she has let her child go into the world, and more phycological effects that she will have to deal with.

Each and all of our lives are amazing really. The possibilities of what a Human being can accomplish in thier life time is just awseome. Life is a gift. We can sither away and let the wrong doings of the world effect how we live and how we treat eachother to a degree, but there is so much good that can be done and lives we can help in the process. On that note, the potential for a baby to be born, and live a life that can be full of great things, is hard to downplay. Who knows what this person may do in their life? No one knows, and no one will ever know when the Abortion takes place.

that is actually a pretty cool testament to how cool evolution is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfucpGCm5hY