82 SHOT , 14 DEAD IN US!

You are 100% right.

You've taken an aspirin and your headache is gone. What caused this headache?

For 10 years you take an aspirin every time you get a headache but they still keep coming…

Turns out there was a bigger problem, and instead of fixing it and dealing with the initial expense and effort you were content to just treat the symptom since that was easier and cheaper.

We both know where this go's. If only we treated the real problem.

Wrong.

the rest of the developed world has taken this approach and they are far from simmering powder kegs ready to go explode and destroy society.

You are always going to have people with violent tendencies and the disenfranchised who see violence as a way to get ahead. Limit their ability to inflict harm and everybody is better off. Limiting gun access is most efficient way to do this. Law enforcement and prisons don't seem to be a deterrent and though they are worthy goals, elevating the poor and tackling mental illness are massive undertaking.

So what do you suggest?

We both know where this go's. If only we treated the real problem.

for sure.

but we also both know there is no political will or appetite to make that happen.

It's terse - language has changed. The mention of "bearing arms" coincides with State militias because they are tied together. That is the spirit of that section of the amendment. Problem is that groups like the NRA have distorted it's meaning.

Regardless, the USA has a huge amount guns and a huge amount of gun related deaths. The correlation is more obvious than the sun, and the notion that more guns is the solution is insane. The whole of the civilized world recognizes this and shakes their head at the gun culture of America.

Its supposed to be abrupt and to the point. There is no room to waver on such subjects. But yes, regardless (the constitution and our charter of rights has been trampled)

Don't you think solving why there are so many gang bangers running around shooting themselves would have a greater effect on the gun death rate overall than initially imposing strict gun control measures?

If you must regulate, regulate people, and enforce it. Not inanimate objects. There is nothing wrong with equal opportunity licencing with education and training to go along with that.

Wrong.

the rest of the developed world has taken this approach and they are far from simmering powder kegs ready to go explode and destroy society.

You are always going to have people with violent tendencies and the disenfranchised who see violence as a way to get ahead. Limit their ability to inflict harm and everybody is better off. Limiting gun access is most efficient way to do this. Law enforcement and prisons don't seem to be a deterrent and though they are worthy goals, elevating the poor and tackling mental illness are massive undertaking.

So what do you suggest?

I suggest we pony up and take on the massive undertaking. Its not a bunch of middle class suburban people shooting each other. Its poor people or crazy people, lets start there.

Canada has problems, UK, Austrailia, all have problems. There are what, over 360 million people in the US, yes there are more problems there.

for sure.

but we also both know there is no political will or appetite to make that happen.

So vote them out, oh wait you can't. So…. (The original purpose of the constitution is creeping up again.)

Yes, you limit guns and people will use knives. Look at the issues they are having in the UK - crime has significantly gone up as gun control was tightened. Even the FBI Director doesn't have any issues with CCW: http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/26/fbi-director-testifies-hes-never-had-problems-with-concealed-carriers-video/

Fixing the social issues is what needs to happen. But hey, the rich get richer, the rest of us play along.

Not near the same kind of problems that they are having in the states. knifes don't miss their target and kill seven year old boys as we saw in Chicago this weekend. Ever hear about drive by knifings nah neither have i. Guns are so impersonal and to do damn effective, knifes are not.

I suggest we pony up and take on the massive undertaking. Its not a bunch of middle class suburban people shooting each other. Its poor people or crazy people, lets start there.

Canada has problems, UK, Austrailia, all have problems. There are what, over 360 million people in the US, yes there are more problems there.

And in the meantime? Just let Smith and Wesson sort em out?

Regardless, the USA has a huge amount guns and a huge amount of gun related deaths. The correlation is more obvious than the sun, and the notion that more guns is the solution is insane. The whole of the civilized world recognizes this and shakes their head at the gun culture of America.

The world may have opinions, but the facts are, in areas that have a higher percent of guns per person, there are less crimes and less murders. That's the facts. Again, it has been posted here before yet people still go with their emotions, not truths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JBG4rEY4PI

Not near the same kind of problems that they are having in the states. knifes don't miss their target and kill seven year old boys as we saw in Chicago this weekend. Ever hear about drive by knifings nah neither have i. Guns are so impersonal and to do damn effective, knifes are not.

So lets get rid of guns and be ok with people stabbing each other because it is personal and up close?

And in the meantime? Just let Smith and Wesson sort em out?

Selecting the shiniest turd out of the sewer pipe has been working hasn't it!

Even the FBI Director doesn't have any issues with CCW: http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/26/fbi-director-testifies-hes-never-had-problems-with-concealed-carriers-video/

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-authority/

An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true.

Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true.

The world may have opinions, but the facts are, in areas that have a higher percent of guns per person, there are less crimes and less murders. That's the facts. Again, it has been posted here before yet people still go with their emotions, not truths.

i didn't watch the vid, but what other factors does that stat take into consideration?

- is that all guns or only know registered guns?
- what are the demographics like in those areas?
- what are the socio-economic factors like in those areas?
- what is the level of poste secondary education in those areas?

Yes, you limit guns and people will use knives. Look at the issues they are having in the UK - crime has significantly gone up as gun control was tightened. Even the FBI Director doesn't have any issues with CCW: http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/26/fbi-director-testifies-hes-never-had-problems-with-concealed-carriers-video/

Fixing the social issues is what needs to happen. But hey, the rich get richer, the rest of us play along.

An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true.

Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-authority/

Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

i didn't watch the vid, but what other factors does that stat take into consideration?

- is that all guns or only know registered guns?
- what are the demographics like in those areas?
- what are the socio-economic factors like in those areas?
- what is the level of poste secondary education in those areas?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.