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In general though, shouldn't the smaller group of riders yield to the bigger group? Of course ideally everyone should make room for everyone else.

Yes I understand, in every intellectual argument (on the trail or off) the one who is physically stronger is always right :D. I like the way you think he-he.

narrow viewpoint? the guy just says he'd prefer not to get run off the trail by a pack of riders. i'm thinking you're taking more offense here than you should simply because me mentioned it was a group of women.

no, he said that clinics should be run in bike parks.

no, he said that clinics should be run in bike parks.

In a perfect world. I also said it would be cool on public trails but not at peak hours.

In general though, shouldn't the smaller group of riders yield to the bigger group? Of course ideally everyone should make room for everyone else.

Huh? Big pack owns small pack rule?

Is this a joke?

no, he said that clinics should be run in bike parks.

he said a lot more than that. go back and re-read his post for some of his other options.

Huh? Big pack owns small pack rule?

Is this a joke?

What do you mean a joke? There is another rule, you always yield to the guy in a bigger car… err… on a bigger bike :D :lol:

Huh? Big pack owns small pack rule?

Is this a joke?

Someone once told me that on the water, the small boat always makes way for the big ship. That makes sense and seems fine to apply it to this situation as well. In either case I don't see how the opposite would make any more sense. Take in mind, that 90[HTML_REMOVED]#37; of the time i ride solo, and the other 10% I ride with one or two other.

he said a lot more than that. go back and re-read his post for some of his other options.

i read his other options and they're somewhat unrealistic ie people work during the day during the week, so their weekends are the only time to get out, that and during evenings during the week which are also the busiest times on the trails because again this is pretty when the majority of people ride.

in a perfect world there would be trails designated for "clinics only" but as people want to learn on "real" trails it's not really an option. maybe someday it will be.

i understand his frustration and i really think the only option here is to educate the ride leaders to transmit trail etiquette to their riders. it's really the best place to learn it in any event.

fwiw, i have been run over on seymour trails from riders in large groups, so i do know where sammyJ is coming from - they weren't in clinics but just groups of riders. pretty much why i dont really ride the shore much anymore. the trails i ride on are loamy and empty (except for bears)

Take in mind, that 90% of the time i ride solo, and the other 10% I ride with one or two other.

Well, I ride 95% solo as well, and I don't expect to yield to two riders if I'm grinding up Old Buck/Baden Powell and they're going down. And neither do the polite riders expect me to yield in that situation.

Taking all things into account, the pack size should not factor into who yields. Under that principal, the biggest pack owns the trail all the time and you get the situation that SammyJ ran into.

Well, I ride 95% solo as well, and I don't expect to yield to two riders if I'm grinding up Old Buck/Baden Powell and they're going down. And neither do the polite riders expect me to yield in that situation.

I agree with you.

Taking all things into account, the pack size should not factor into who yields. Under that principal, the biggest pack owns the trail all the time and you get the situation that SammyJ ran into.

Obviously big always wins gets you all sorts of weird behaviour that doesn't work (e.g. your uphill climb example), but I think that there are a number of situations where it's least disruptive for the smaller group to yield to the bigger group.

Ultimately though, I think we just need to remember that none of us owns these trails (unless of course we are rich and own a mountain) and remember the lesson learned from pre-school/kindergarten about about how to share.

but I think that there are a number of situations where it's least disruptive for the smaller group to yield to the bigger group.

I agree with the least disruptive part, but then you run into the situation of 4-5 bikers (or hikers for that matter) hogging the trail, especially on MUTs. Needless to say, I could go on and on, and I'm sure you could too.

People just need to be more considerate and aware of other users.

Leaders of organized group rides can take a proactive role in this. Conversely, this type of trail etiquette is better learned by seeing and doing, rather than being told off the trail.

Sanrensho,

In practice we probably don't disagree that much.