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War On Fat

Nov. 22, 2013, 6:24 p.m.
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I new that would come up.

I own a landscape maintenance company. So that has me moving most days.

During the summer I ride 2 days a week at least and one long distance ride on the weekend. Intensity depends on who I am riding with. My kids or friends. With a bit of hiking mixed in.

Winter consist of snow shoeing 1 to 2 days a week with a shorter ride mixed in. Hiking is in there some place as well. Depending on the weather, a long ride is in there as well.

I eat fair amount of fruit. Up to 6 apples a day. Thats my snack food.

Light breakfast and lunch. Dinner is meat and potatoes. Dinner could be smaller. I don't allow junk food in the house. I have no impulse control.

I know there is room for improvement in there, but basically all I need to do is look at food and I gain weight and considering how much I move, the weight doesn't make sense.

My off-the-cuff anecdotal advice would be you need to lift weights more. Combo that with training more often for power rather than endurance to gain more muscle to get your fat-burning going. One way or the other what you're doing is missing something.

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Nov. 22, 2013, 6:26 p.m.
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My genetics are not helping me in the fat storage and slightly nuts department thats foresure. The one thing my genetics are good for, is my people are long lived. Backing off on the apples would be a good thing.

As far as calories go. I was on Weight Watchers a a couple a months ago for a couple of months and I ate under the calories allowed with no real weight loss. No my math was not off either.

Talk to a nutrtionist or personal trainer and find out how much protien, fat, and carb you need to fuel your body. If your getting too much of one and not enough of the other, your body wont respond the way you want. Its not just calories, but giving yourself the nutrients to fuel the fat loss. I recently started a nutrition program and its made a big difference. I personnaly find a lower protien diet easier on my system but you need to find what works for you.

Talk to an expert, modify based on how you feel and how your body reacts.

Grumpy Trail Builder in Training

Nov. 22, 2013, 6:27 p.m.
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Hmm…. since we are bringing up less evolved diets or best to call non Western civilization North American diets….

It should be noted that while it is focused on running the diet is still about what the average Kenyan will eat.

http://www.active.com/running/articles/eating-practices-of-the-best-endurance-athletes-in-the-world

http://runnersconnect.net/running-nutrition-articles/diet-of-kenyan-runners/

I would need to see these guys cross-referenced against, say, a Marine Seal Team, or competitors from the Crossfit Games (or some other discipline involving a ton of versatility in many domains). These Kenyans can sacrifice everything for pure endurance. I'd like to see how they fared comparatively in tests that involved anything other that out-right running. Cardiovascular endurance in other modalities, power output in different ways, bone density, flexibility, vertical jump, throws, lifts, etc. I think it would be really cool to see. While we're at it let's compare some other specialists like gymnasts, powerlifters, etc.

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Nov. 22, 2013, 7:02 p.m.
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I would need to see these guys cross-referenced against, say, a Marine Seal Team, or competitors from the Crossfit Games (or some other discipline involving a ton of versatility in many domains). These Kenyans can sacrifice everything for pure endurance. I'd like to see how they fared comparatively in tests that involved anything other that out-right running. Cardiovascular endurance in other modalities, power output in different ways, bone density, flexibility, vertical jump, throws, lifts, etc. I think it would be really cool to see. While we're at it let's compare some other specialists like gymnasts, powerlifters, etc.

what would you learn
that a man who trains solely for endurance running is weaker than someone who trains for strength?

Nov. 22, 2013, 7:04 p.m.
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what would you learn
that a man who trains solely for endurance running is weaker than someone who trains for strength?

I'd like to see how the other markers turn out. There's more to fitness than just endurance and strength.

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Nov. 22, 2013, 7:04 p.m.
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I would need to see these guys cross-referenced against, say, a Marine Seal Team, or competitors from the Crossfit Games (or some other discipline involving a ton of versatility in many domains). These Kenyans can sacrifice everything for pure endurance. I'd like to see how they fared comparatively in tests that involved anything other that out-right running. Cardiovascular endurance in other modalities, power output in different ways, bone density, flexibility, vertical jump, throws, lifts, etc. I think it would be really cool to see. While we're at it let's compare some other specialists like gymnasts, powerlifters, etc.

Unfortunately you kind of missed the fact that what the high level Kenyans eat is pretty much the same thing they would eat if they where not high level athletes. Once you remove the quantities they need compared to the average. Even away from home they want to eat the same.

Simply, they believe that if they eat the way and what we do they will be slower. So they eat the way they do if they where still at home.

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Nov. 22, 2013, 7:09 p.m.
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Unfortunately you kind of missed the fact that what the high level Kenyans eat is pretty much the same thing they would eat if they where not high level athletes. Once you remove the quantities they need compared to the average. Even away from home they want to eat the same.

Simply, they believe that if they eat the way and what we do they will be slower. So they eat the way they do if they where still at home.

Their dietary habits are great and support a single output modality (running fast and far). The point I wanted to make was that mountain biking as we know it in the Lower Mainland is way more than just endurance. It requires a whole range of things that the kenyans' diet might not be able to support. Or maybe it would. I guess I'm trying to emphasize that fitness isn't just running.

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Nov. 22, 2013, 8:44 p.m.
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Talk to a nutrtionist or personal trainer and find out how much protien, fat, and carb you need to fuel your body. If your getting too much of one and not enough of the other, your body wont respond the way you want. Its not just calories, but giving yourself the nutrients to fuel the fat loss. I recently started a nutrition program and its made a big difference. I personnaly find a lower protien diet easier on my system but you need to find what works for you.

Talk to an expert, modify based on how you feel and how your body reacts.

Nutrtionist sounds like something to look into. I have done everything else suggested over the years.

Master of Puppets

Nov. 23, 2013, 11:59 a.m.
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Their dietary habits are great and support a single output modality (running fast and far). The point I wanted to make was that mountain biking as we know it in the Lower Mainland is way more than just endurance. It requires a whole range of things that the kenyans' diet might not be able to support. Or maybe it would. I guess I'm trying to emphasize that fitness isn't just running.

True … but one of the proven benefits of exercise is a healthy cardiovascular system. It is possible strength train without cardio (eg sumo wrestlers, football linemen) and end up susceptible to cardiovascular disease (as can happen with cardio overtraining). Kenyans who can run 40 km in 2 hours are specialized "extreme" athletes in the same vein as sumo wrestlers and NFL linemen.

Nov. 23, 2013, 2:40 p.m.
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overeating is hard on the system lineman and sumo's bulk up with high cal diets, I rhoink you might find those old football players don't age particularly well

Nov. 23, 2013, 8:10 p.m.
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oI rhoink you might find those old football players don't age particularly well

Average life expectancy of an NFL player is 52 years.

Nov. 23, 2013, 8:55 p.m.
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I worked with a guy who had maintained an extra 50 lbs to play offensive center in the cfl by eating 7000cal per day for the 15yrs of his college[HTML_REMOVED] pro career, eating was part of the job and he actualy hated eating so much I never seen him eat lunch

Nov. 23, 2013, 10:18 p.m.
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Hee.

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Nov. 25, 2013, 2:54 p.m.
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Sweden Becomes First Western Nation to Reject Low-fat Diet Dogma in Favor of Low-carb High-fat Nutrition

DENVER, Oct. 28, 2013 /PRNewswire/ - Sweden has become the first western nation to recommend a lower-carbohydrate higher-fat, diet – in alignment with the Atkins™ approach to eating – as part of an effort to reduce the national prevalence of obesity, diabetes, and to improve markers of heart health. This bold move stems from a literature review of 16,000 studies on diet and obesity, published by Swedish government advisors at the Council on Health Technology Assessment. This published report was released by the Council in September and the Swedish government announcement followed shortly thereafter.[1]

Nov. 25, 2013, 4:49 p.m.
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I was thinking about this the other day, and this is not the first time in human history that a lone scientist has insisted they were right, despite most of the establishment disagreeing. Let's not forget that Dr. Atkins was a trained scientist - as a dr of medicine.

The other historical example I can site, right off of the top of my head, was Galileo. The establishment he challenged was the church. Atkins and his ilk are challenging the establishment of government nutritional policy. Both are scary organizations that "can't be wrong".

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