Great article over on the other site that talks about the potential risk of too much exercise in elite athletes that is well worth the read.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/are-elite-athletes-at-higher-risk-of-heart-problems-2022.html
We don't know what our limits are, so to start something with the idea of being limited actually ends up limiting us.
Ellen Langer
Especially the jabbed ones.
Posted by: Putty
Especially the jabbed ones.
Sigh
Posted by: FLATCH
Posted by: Putty
Especially the jabbed ones.
Sigh
He was joking.
Posted by: Hepcat
Posted by: FLATCH
Posted by: Putty
Especially the jabbed ones.
Sigh
He was joking.
It’s just so old. Putty needs new material
Posted by: syncro
Great article over on the other site that talks about the potential risk of too much exercise in elite athletes that is well worth the read.
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/are-elite-athletes-at-higher-risk-of-heart-problems-2022.html
While interesting I take it with a wee bit of salt as the causes of this are not that simple as there I strongly believe now that it is far less simple then most of these articles aim for. Reality is how much we believe we need to hydrate which has been drilled into us with the "Hydrate or Die" or "Drink before your thirsty" dogmas causes harm as well. Dr Tim Noakes of South Africa has looked into that and in Natural Born Heroes he talks about this stuff.
For me, in this whole issue there are basically two points to take away: the first being that if an athlete (getting paid to ride a bike, or doing it as a means of transportation or hobby) has any weird feeling or a pulse that is off, go see at least one specialist to let the heart get checked. The second being that hearts can get too much work (oh wonder) and that it is ok to stay below your individual power output at times to minimize the risk of scar tissue on the heart.
The same holds true for people who ride too early too soon after a major crash, and the increased risk of brain trauma.
Posted by: Putty
Especially the jabbed ones.
Interesting that many of the former professional road riders get cancer or die of it, not to mention the bodybuilders. Our bodies can only take so much.
Posted by: Mic
Posted by: Putty
Especially the jabbed ones.
Interesting that many of the former professional road riders get cancer or die of it, not to mention the bodybuilders. Our bodies can only take so much.
Growth hormones are great until they accelerate the growth of cancerous cells....
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Posted by: Mic
Posted by: Putty
Especially the jabbed ones.
Interesting that many of the former professional road riders get cancer or die of it, not to mention the bodybuilders. Our bodies can only take so much.
Growth hormones are great until they accelerate the growth of cancerous cells....
And even in cases where it's not been growth hormones but stuff that makes muscles go longer and farther it seems that the body can only take so much. No point in trying to turn a vw beetle engine into a Lambo.
To be honest these articles are more about creating fear using a small segment of the athletic population. Reality is majority of us age grouper athletes will never reach the weekly and yearly activity level and volume they do. So while it is concerning that this is happening to the the high performance small percentage of athletes for the majority of us all it does is create fear. And also increases the chances of those who are trying to be active of becoming less because they are afraid.
Reality is a lot of death in the age grouper crowd come from another source. Which ironically barely see mention of it anywhere.
Posted by: Endurimil
To be honest these articles are more about creating fear using a small segment of the athletic population. Reality is majority of us age grouper athletes will never reach the weekly and yearly activity level and volume they do. So while it is concerning that this is happening to the the high performance small percentage of athletes for the majority of us all it does is create fear. And also increases the chances of those who are trying to be active of becoming less because they are afraid.
Reality is a lot of death in the age grouper crowd come from another source. Which ironically barely see mention of it anywhere.
Food and beverages.
I am not so sure about the creation of fear, heart-attacks and risks of heart related diseases are real, I think reality is a little more complex than this. It generates traffic for the other site, people talk about it, people maybe start to think and adapt their lifestyle or training, and voila, more care is going to be taken.
I have no data to support the theory that in untrained or "pastime athletes" the risk of heart issues is present and a danger as well. Maybe that is a task for Syncro?
Posted by: Endurimil
To be honest these articles are more about creating fear using a small segment of the athletic population. Reality is majority of us age grouper athletes will never reach the weekly and yearly activity level and volume they do. So while it is concerning that this is happening to the the high performance small percentage of athletes for the majority of us all it does is create fear. And also increases the chances of those who are trying to be active of becoming less because they are afraid.
Reality is a lot of death in the age grouper crowd come from another source. Which ironically barely see mention of it anywhere.
If that's your view I honestly have to question if you even read the article I linked to. There are several places in the article where the author mentions the benefit of exercise for all people and they pointedly say "It's important to underline that this highest-exercise group (on the far right of the graph) still had a substantially lower mortality risk than those getting less than the recommended amount". The article is not about creating fear, it's talking about the potential implications of going to the extreme end of the amount of physical activity one can do. To say that it might make people who are trying to become more active do less activity due to fear is an incredibly bad take on what the article really says.
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: Endurimil
To be honest these articles are more about creating fear using a small segment of the athletic population. Reality is majority of us age grouper athletes will never reach the weekly and yearly activity level and volume they do. So while it is concerning that this is happening to the the high performance small percentage of athletes for the majority of us all it does is create fear. And also increases the chances of those who are trying to be active of becoming less because they are afraid.
Reality is a lot of death in the age grouper crowd come from another source. Which ironically barely see mention of it anywhere.
If that's your view I honestly have to question if you even read the article I linked to. There are several places in the article where the author mentions the benefit of exercise for all people and they pointedly say "It's important to underline that this highest-exercise group (on the far right of the graph) still had a substantially lower mortality risk than those getting less than the recommended amount". The article is not about creating fear, it's talking about the potential implications of going to the extreme end of the amount of physical activity one can do. To say that it might make people who are trying to become more active do less activity due to fear is an incredibly bad take on what the article really says.
Read it. And to dismiss that there is those who read it and decrease their activity is a bad take as well. Reality is the majority of news articles around this are based on the implied they where athletic, active , and killed them. And just the headline itself is basing the entire article around elite Olympic high performance athletes which is an incredibly small percentage of athletes and live a lifestyle that is abnormal to the rest of us. And comparing what they do for training and lifestyle vs the rest of us age groupers isn't exactly great.
There is also a whole pile of other factors that can slowly build up to cause harm as well that most articles around this never bring up.
Posted by: Mic
Posted by: Endurimil
To be honest these articles are more about creating fear using a small segment of the athletic population. Reality is majority of us age grouper athletes will never reach the weekly and yearly activity level and volume they do. So while it is concerning that this is happening to the the high performance small percentage of athletes for the majority of us all it does is create fear. And also increases the chances of those who are trying to be active of becoming less because they are afraid.
Reality is a lot of death in the age grouper crowd come from another source. Which ironically barely see mention of it anywhere.
Food and beverages.
Dr Tim Noakes wrote a book on this about the Sports Drink industry with their hydrate or die dogma. I readily admit I was led down this path at one point but clued in when I noticed some negative effects.
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