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zee vs guide rsc

Oct. 18, 2016, 9:57 p.m.
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From what I understand current gen Shimano brakes are not able to be rebuilt. To the point that you bend a lever, you buy a whole new master cylinder!

That's leaning me very heavily towards picking up some Guides instead for my next set of brakes.

Oct. 19, 2016, 1:07 a.m.
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That is not correct.

I actually replaced a bent lever blade last week on a ZEE. A friend bent his in a crash. The new lever blade was 11€ and I was able to just walk into my LBS and buy it. They are available as spare parts.

It was an easy, simple five minute repair. No special tools needed. Just loosen an little screw, push the pin/axle out. Take the bent blade out, insert the new one. Reinsert, tighten screw. Done.

Oct. 19, 2016, 2:54 a.m.
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bringing the money factor into the game, which way would you go?

final pricing findings:

hope tech e4 - no rotors -[HTML_REMOVED] 270€
2017 sram guide rsc - no rotors -[HTML_REMOVED] 260€
saints - no rotors -[HTML_REMOVED] 235€
zees with rotors RT86 - not finned pads -[HTML_REMOVED] 240€

Oct. 19, 2016, 8:21 a.m.
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Saints with sm-rt76 rotors.
The rt86 wear faster, the cheap one-piece Rotors can squeak more. Rt76 are perfectly balanced.

Now go and buy them already :)

Hours spent debating purchases are hours lost on your bike.

:)

Oct. 19, 2016, 8:44 a.m.
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That is not correct.

I actually replaced a bent lever blade last week on a ZEE. A friend bent his in a crash. The new lever blade was 11€ and I was able to just walk into my LBS and buy it. They are available as spare parts.

It was an easy, simple five minute repair. No special tools needed. Just loosen an little screw, push the pin/axle out. Take the bent blade out, insert the new one. Reinsert, tighten screw. Done.

Yep, you can replace that sort of thing, but good luck finding piston seals which is super annoying as they seem to be Shimano's weakness these days.

treezz
wow you are a ass

Oct. 19, 2016, 9:37 a.m.
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I would take Codes over Guides… more power!

:canada:

Oct. 19, 2016, 10:04 a.m.
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I would take Codes over Guides… more power!

Going from Elixirs to Guides, I find the Guides are quite a bit more forgiving to air in the system and don't need to be bled as often to remain feeling good. The lever on the Codes looks more Elixir-like, missing the large reservoir on Shimano and Guide brakes. How do they hold up over time?

Oct. 19, 2016, 10:16 a.m.
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Guide levers with Code R calipers.

Oct. 19, 2016, 10:44 a.m.
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Guide levers with Code R calipers.

Sram is producing this as their e-bike brake, the guide 'RE' I think.

Oct. 19, 2016, 11:09 a.m.
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bringing the money factor into the game, which way would you go?

final pricing findings:

hope tech e4 - no rotors -[HTML_REMOVED] 270€
2017 sram guide rsc - no rotors -[HTML_REMOVED] 260€
saints - no rotors -[HTML_REMOVED] 235€
zees with rotors RT86 - not finned pads -[HTML_REMOVED] 240€

The Zee and Saint feel the same to me (Zee on my personal bike and I've tried Saints on lots of demo/friend bikes), so unless you want the bling I'd get Zee. The stock resin pads do the job, but order a set of finned metallic for when you wear through the stock ones. Lots of stopping power, I weigh 220lbs geared up and never have problems and no sore fingers. Modulation feels fine to me, I've tried various Guides and they work well enough but I like the Shimano feel personally and the price is right.

Interesting post about the RT86/76, I read the difference is the 86 has an aluminum layer sandwiched in the middle to improve cooling performance. Who knows if there is any measurable benefit.

Oct. 19, 2016, 11:34 a.m.
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Sram is producing this as their e-bike brake, the guide 'RE' I think.

I heard they were doing that but didn't know what they were going to call them. I had a set of new Code R's from another build and decided to swap the calipers and keep my Guide levers. I can't say I noticed a massive change but I do think there is an increase in braking power. IMO the brakes just feel better.

Oct. 19, 2016, 11:37 a.m.
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so many answers :)
so difficult to decide!

if i go shimano, i'll go saints, cause the zees need another 50euro for the finned metallic pads.
for the guides i see either raving or hating haha.
the hope seems to have the least negative reviews in the web.

confused!

considering the fact that my current brakes are avid codes 2012 model, and i liked them, which brake is in the same league performancewise and feelingwise?

Oct. 19, 2016, 12:46 p.m.
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Are you for sure looking at guide rsc or the guide ultimate? The ultimates are better

Oct. 19, 2016, 1:15 p.m.
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DrewM did a good little write up a while back about Saints vs MT7, etc:

http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=161482

http://nsmba.ca/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=1

Oct. 19, 2016, 1:20 p.m.
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In my experience, non-finned metallic pads are the way to go for Shimano. I've had both finned and non-finned on the same XT brakes and did not notice a difference. Metallic does last longer and stop better than organic, though.

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