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Should new brakes need a bleed?

Aug. 20, 2009, 10:53 a.m.
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I put some new 203mm Juicy 5's (front) on my bike and was underwhelmed with the stopping power. Should they need to be bled if they sat in the store for a long time? The manufacture date is 2007 so it's likely they have been sitting around for awhile. When I say underwhelmed, I mean that they require allot of lever pull to get max braking. I had to wind out the lever all the way and i can still pull them almost to my knuckle.

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Aug. 20, 2009, 11:03 a.m.
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Should they need to be bled if they sat in the store for a long time?

Likely so. The shop you bought the brakes from should do the bleed as part of the sale too.

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Aug. 20, 2009, 11:14 a.m.
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Likely so. The shop you bought the brakes from should do the bleed as part of the sale too.

This.

Aug. 20, 2009, 12:12 p.m.
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2 things to understand about Avid brakes

1. they come with the lever reach adjuster usually screwed all the way in - grab the appropriate allen key (good quality) and adjust the lever reach screw (its the piston rod), wind it out, don't worry about reach unless you have tiny hands as Avid's lever geometry is radically different to other brake manufacturers

a surprising thing about Juicy's is that once you wind the lever reach out, you get a substantial increase in piston effiency / power

2. Juicy 3 and some of the Juicy 5s come with "organic" pads, which feel very soft - the reason for this is that the 3 and some of the 5s were a cheaper brake aimed at more recreational users, and organic pads are marginally cheaper than sintered which helped make the brake more afffordable to OEM customers - if the brake has come from an OEM source to your retailer it may have organics fitted rather than sintered

swap the organics out for sinterered (metallic) and you will get a fierce brake!

3. any product mass-produced in 1000s of units will have quality control issues, and the cheaper the product, the lower the QC

probably half of the Juicy 3s I sold needed bleeding, less of the Juicy 5s needed bleeding and rarely any of the Juicy 7s needed bleeding

get them flushed / bled with DOT 5.1 (the Juicy 3 and older 5 / 7 usually has Dot 4) and with the sintered pads and lever reach you should have good brakes ;)

sorry i realised that's 3 things about Avid brakes, I can't count for sh*t but I can setup good brakes :)

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Aug. 20, 2009, 12:16 p.m.
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thanks for the advice everyone. I got a smoking deal so a free bleed from the shop is not going to happen. I am going to just pick up a bleed kit and learn to do this myself (it's about time I learn!).

One Q: how would i tell if the pads are organic or sintered? Do they look different?

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Aug. 20, 2009, 12:21 p.m.
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If you get the bleed kit, doing the bleed is a piece of cake it takes 10 mins the first time and 5 or less after that

Aug. 20, 2009, 12:33 p.m.
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Sintered pads are greyish silver on a bronze coloured backing, organics are dark brown on a black backing.
Bleeding is easy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mg6NbIjmOM

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