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Saint/Zee vs. Magura MT7/MT5 : mini review

Feb. 14, 2017, 5:31 p.m.
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I ❤️ my MT7s. They have a great feel, no fade and plenty of stopping power. Im probably 210-215 lbs when riding.

Feb. 14, 2017, 5:34 p.m.
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I see your Fiver World Series training is right on target.

Lol don't get me started. I've never been so obese before.

Feb. 21, 2017, 6:39 a.m.
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I thought I'd share with you fellow board readers.

You can match Shimano SLX lever (or XT/XTR/Saint) and MT5/MT7 caliper. Such combination is even better than original Magura set :)

After one of winter crashes I completely broke my MT5 brake lever into pieces. Looks like the plastic it's made of is utter crap and will break easily. There are several reports here in Europe about MT5/MT7 prone to breaking. The same happened to fellow biker I know with his MT7.

You just need proper Shimano lever (newest ones) like M7000, M8000 M9000 etc.

My current set is SLX M7000 lever + MT5 caliper (with original Magura hose) bled with Shimano mineral oil.

There are several pros of this combination
- Shimano parts are lots cheaper than Magura stuff and they are available everywhere
- Shimano levers are tough made, not from platstic-fantastic like Magura
- brakes work better: Shimano levers are less spongy than original Magura and you get lots of extra power just from changing lever
- you can choose SLX, XT, XTR or Saint levers an pair them with either MT7 or MT5

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Feb. 21, 2017, 11:01 a.m.
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I thought I'd share with you fellow board readers.

You can match Shimano SLX lever (or XT/XTR/Saint) and MT5/MT7 caliper. Such combination is even better than original Magura set :)

After one of winter crashes I completely broke my MT5 brake lever into pieces. Looks like the plastic it's made of is utter crap and will break easily. There are several reports here in Europe about MT5/MT7 prone to breaking. The same happened to fellow biker I know with his MT7.

You just need proper Shimano lever (newest ones) like M7000, M8000 M9000 etc.

My current set is SLX M7000 lever + MT5 caliper (with original Magura hose) bled with Shimano mineral oil.

There are several pros of this combination
- Shimano parts are lots cheaper than Magura stuff and they are available everywhere
- Shimano levers are tough made, not from platstic-fantastic like Magura
- brakes work better: Shimano levers are less spongy than original Magura and you get lots of extra power just from changing lever
- you can choose SLX, XT, XTR or Saint levers an pair them with either MT7 or MT5

What about the modulation? I find the gradual increase in power to be a substantial benefit to the Magura brakes.

Feb. 22, 2017, 6:39 a.m.
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What about the modulation? I find the gradual increase in power to be a substantial benefit to the Magura brakes.

True. Increased power of Shimano+Magura combo could feel like "too much" in wet but I have to find it out yet. If people can ride Saint/Zee brakes despite being "very sharp" at first glance but from my personal experience Shimano+Magura combo offer much more modulation than Zee.

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Feb. 22, 2017, 7:58 a.m.
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What about the modulation? I find the gradual increase in power to be a substantial benefit to the Magura brakes.

My favourite thing about their on-trail performance for sure. Progressive power with tonnes on tap when needed.

In my experimenting performance with Servowave levers was very poor. No modulation and a weird power curve likely due to the pads sitting static much closer to the rotor with the Magura calipers compared to Shimano. Raw power is fine but definitely not an improvement over either system as a system.

Running the Magura calipers with non-Servowave Shimano levers performance is very good. No point in doing it with the MT-5 since those blades have a huge range of adjustment (unless if you're wrecking levers all the time - not something I've seen/heard of) but I played around with options because the 7's weren't the best with my small hands. Ended up modifying some stock 7 blades and preferred those.

Now I have HC blades and they're awesome for smaller hands. I prefer the feel of the Magura levers (modified or HC) for a few reasons but that's personal preference.

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April 19, 2017, 10:01 p.m.
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Unsure about new brakes: Shimano Saint (current brake,) Hope Tech 3 V4 (don't know what the Stealth Race means), or Magura MT7 or 5s (I have smaller hands)

April 20, 2017, 6:08 a.m.
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Posted by: Endur-Bro

Unsure about new brakes: Shimano Saint (current brake,) Hope Tech 3 V4 (don't know what the Stealth Race means), or Magura MT7 or 5s (I have smaller hands)

I can highly recommend the V4s.... the Stealth Race refers to the lever... less adjustability versus the standard Tech Evo lever.   They contrast well against Saints, but have better modulation... haven't tried the MT7s or MT5s but I've heard great things about them as well... the good news is that they are all great options.

April 23, 2017, 12:48 p.m.
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Posted by: GladePlayboy

I can highly recommend the V4s.... the Stealth Race refers to the lever... less adjustability versus the standard Tech Evo lever.   They contrast well against Saints, but have better modulation... haven't tried the MT7s or MT5s but I've heard great things about them as well... the good news is that they are all great options.

Reps.  Thanks for the info.  Was unsure what "Stealth Race" actually was.  Does one need to use Hope rotors with their brakes or would I be able to use the fancy pants XTR Freeza rotors?

April 24, 2017, 8:40 a.m.
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I am using Hope sawtooth floating rotors (which are now discontinued I believe) with XTR brakes and Saint brakes on two different bikes, they've been great. I don't imagine that it would be an issue going the other way.

July 5, 2017, 4:20 p.m.
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What exactly does this mean?  I want to be able to clamp my brake levers to the bar separate of my shifter and dropper post

Furthermore the brake levers are I-spec B certified, this means I-spec B compatible shifting levers mount directly to the brake lever clip.

This is for the current gen Saint brakes.  I'm finding this in product descriptions but not in the items title.  Product listed as this:

Shimano Saint BR-M820 + BL-M820 Disc Brake with Ice-Tech Brake Pads Set FW + RW

July 11, 2017, 11:11 a.m.
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Posted by: Endur-Bro

What exactly does this mean?  I want to be able to clamp my brake levers to the bar separate of my shifter and dropper post

Furthermore the brake levers are I-spec B certified, this means I-spec B compatible shifting levers mount directly to the brake lever clip.

This is for the current gen Saint brakes.  I'm finding this in product descriptions but not in the items title.  Product listed as this:

Shimano Saint BR-M820 + BL-M820 Disc Brake with Ice-Tech Brake Pads Set FW + RW

I-Spec is Shimano's system for attaching brake/shifter to the bars with one clamp. The brake levers always come with clamps, it's the shifters that can be specced with either a clamp or an I-Spec mount. You can also convert the shifters between one to the other. I-Spec B is the Saint/Zee/XT785 standard, there is a new I-Spec II for XT 8000 etc.

So you are fine buying the brakes, just use your shifter mount that you already have.

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