Packing for packless riding

Beer cozy is a great idea!

http://www.mec.ca/product/5035-458/mec-etape-seat-bag/

noticed this while surfing around the MEC site , and a trick i seen Bob Jones use is elastic Velcro ski straps

http://images.evo.com/imgp/1500/48572/286824/rossignol-alpine-velcro-deluxe-ski-strap.jpg something like this to strap a tube to the frame .

on sunday i tried out my safety jacket from Alpinestars , it holds a 1.5 l bladder and has rear stash pockets , pockets are little smaller then the RF stash vest making them a bit more awkward to fit stuff into .

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Alpinestar-Evolution-Jacket-5.jpg

How do you guys get away with drinking so little water on a ride? I pre/post hydrate (usually drink between 4-5l on an average day even if I'm not riding). If I'm riding I usually drain close to a full 3l bladder on top of that, so riding without a pack seems like a pipe dream for me.

I've tried electrolyte supplements, loading up with salt etc and still need that much water in 30+ degree weather.

How do you guys get away with drinking so little water on a ride? I pre/post hydrate (usually drink between 4-5l on an average day even if I'm not riding). If I'm riding I usually drain close to a full 3l bladder on top of that, so riding without a pack seems like a pipe dream for me.

I've tried electrolyte supplements, loading up with salt etc and still need that much water in 30+ degree weather.

Maybe they aren't riding in 30+ weather? Can't get away from riding with a pack in the Koots. Too damn hot.

i would think humidity would play into it as well 30deg on the mainland is a different heat then 30deg in the interior where it is a lot drier

What do the packless hordes think of this?

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/fabric-cageless-water-bottle.html

What do the packless hordes think of this?

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/fabric-cageless-water-bottle.html

I ride with a pack but if I didn't I would have no issues using that system… so what if you have to stop to remove the bottle. As long as its secure it seems well thought out.

I get the whole packless idea too, as I hate wearing stuff on my back. But if you have to, these packs are the way to go:

http://www.uswe-sports.com/dept/BIKE_11237/ENG/USD

I have the F3 Pro 2L. Can't say enough good about it. It fits snug and doesn't bounce at all. That strap system is amazing. I can fit a tube, a tool, levers, and I can also jam a small pump in with the bladder.

FYI, I'm not getting deals from them, I just really like those packs! lol…

here's a decent shot of the straps, along with me nearly passing out because I'm sofa king tired (the end of the Penticton Endurbro race).

Anyone know if any Vancouver area shops carry these packs? Interested in getting one but would like to try one on first.

I just made the mistake of riding sans pack (water bottle only) after making some fork and tire pressure adjustments (namely going softer on each of them.) Oh how I wished I had a tire pump and shock pump. I had forgotten how important having trail feel is to me. Mind you I don't normally ride with a shock pump anyway.

I get the whole packless idea too, as I hate wearing stuff on my back. But if you have to, these packs are the way to go:

http://www.uswe-sports.com/dept/BIKE_11237/ENG/USD

I have the F3 Pro 2L. Can't say enough good about it. It fits snug and doesn't bounce at all. That strap system is amazing. I can fit a tube, a tool, levers, and I can also jam a small pump in with the bladder.

FYI, I'm not getting deals from them, I just really like those packs! lol…

here's a decent shot of the straps, along with me nearly passing out because I'm sofa king tired (the end of the Penticton Endurbro race).

ive got the f4, its pretty good, probably a bit big. Wish they made a 6 L bag, something between the f3 (3L) and f4(9L).

The strap system is quite good, doesn't bounce at all.

I feel that crashing is a big issue.
Packs and back protectors really help in crash situations - imho…

ive got the f4, its pretty good, probably a bit big. Wish they made a 6 L bag, something between the f3 (3L) and f4(9L).

The strap system is quite good, doesn't bounce at all.

anywhere local to see these?

I feel that crashing is a big issue.
Packs and back protectors really help in crash situations - imho…

This is a good point. The reality is I don't mind wearing a pack at all unless it's absolutely filled and heavy. I have a pretty good small pack by Dieter (I think?) and I will probably keep using it even on shorter rides. I am changing somewhat by putting my primary hydration on the bike though (and secondary if needed on my back.)