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NSMB - 2022 - Full Suspension Bike Thread

Feb. 5, 2022, 6:34 p.m.
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Thank you RAH !

I haven't found the information about frame weights for any of these bikes ; I wasn't too concerned about it until you say 3 lbs difference ...

Feb. 5, 2022, 10:59 p.m.
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Posted by: Vincent66

Thank you RAH !

I haven't found the information about frame weights for any of these bikes ; I wasn't too concerned about it until you say 3 lbs difference ...

3lb is an estimate. But the chilcoten has a lot of metal so I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10lbs

google search - wreckoning = 6.78lbs. Can't find a weight on the chilcoten.

A review for the fugitive said the following "Despite its almost 3-pound weight disadvantage compared to similarly priced steeds"

Lots of people like and enjoy high end aluminum freeride bikes like the knolly and raaw's. I was just thinking if you were going to a bigger bike, you might like to keep things as light as possible if all other aspects are equal.


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Feb. 6, 2022, 6:11 a.m.
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https://youtu.be/PfbrOSKrqLQ

Van Can just got a Chili. It looks pretty nice. The difference in frame weight Knolly Chilli to Evil Wreck V3 is ~1lb. Of those two bikes I'd go with the Chilli, but I am a metal frame fan and 1lb is of no concern to me.

I think Van Can broke one or two Wreckonings in the same season.


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Feb. 6, 2022, 9:02 a.m.
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Thank you, interesting indeed !

1 lb indeed is not going to really affect my choice. In any case, I will find a way to test the bikes I'm hesitating between before pulling the trigger. I'm trying to narrow it down.

I said it before, I have been extremely pleased with my warden ; And I am planning to buy a bike for the next 6/7 years. It has been fantastically reliable.

But warden is heavy (equiped as mine, that might explain reliability), and doesn't climb very well.

Is the chilcotin a better climber than the warden ? I read the evil was a pretty good climber for this type of bike.

On the other way of the enjoying the mountain, going down, I also read that the chilcotin was all about SPEED ; I like it, but I am not a racer, and find more pleasure in finding flow on tech/steep terrain.

Are they both comparable in this domain ? I think I read that Wreckoning would be a little bit easier at low speed.

And compared to sentinel ? no opinion ? Thanks again.


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Feb. 6, 2022, 9:43 a.m.
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Posted by: RAHrider

Posted by: Vincent66

google search - wreckoning = 6.78lbs. Can't find a weight on the chilcoten.

Weird, I just found the Chilcotin weight at 6.61 lbs ...

It could also be without shock ...

wrench science - knolly chilcotin

Feb. 6, 2022, 9:49 a.m.
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The Lrg Wreck V3 w/o shock is ~7lbs based on Fanatik's bike builder. They seem to weigh everything. That Chilli weight seems too light to be correct.

EDIT: A guy on MTBR posted his new Large 29er Chilli weighed ~8lbs with axle and other hardware, but no shock.


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Feb. 6, 2022, 10:18 a.m.
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Posted by: Vikb

That Chilli weight seems too light to be correct.

I think too.

Feb. 6, 2022, 10:42 a.m.
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This year I switched to a bike that's a few pounds heavier, my climbing times are identical. 

Beyond wheels and tires, I think there may be nothing measurable to all that weight weenie-ing. Spent so many years and dollars hand wringing about grams 🤦‍♂️

#1 Transition #2 Knolly my random vote. My riding buddy is an Evil dealer, and no matter how many times I try his bikes that hover float feeling just never jives with me.

Feb. 6, 2022, 11:46 a.m.
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I went from carbon wunder bike 275er to 6lbs heavier metal dual coil 29er and broke previous climbing PRs. Within reason the obsession with weight is silly.


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Feb. 6, 2022, 10:34 p.m.
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I was looking at all of these bikes back last summer. 

Because I always pedal and never shuttle, and I was looking for a solid pedal platform with lots of versatility but with aggressive geo, I ended up with the carbon Spire. I might have gone with the alu Spire but, the purple. 

It rides like a trail bike unless you’re in over your head at which point it rides like a DH bike. Lighter than the bikes you’re talking about, which was important to me. I’m pretty sure the beefiest of the group is the Chil so if that’s important that’s the bike for you!

Feb. 7, 2022, 7:40 a.m.
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If you are a Coastal BC local one nice thing about Knolly is the proximity. I had a maintenance issue I was chatting with Knolly HQ about and they offered to just do the work for me if I could swing by with my bike. Living on the island I got them to mail me the parts I needed to DIY, but it's nice to know that I could get that extra level of support if I wanted/needed it. I could always swing by HQ and then go ride the NS, Squamish or Whistler to make the trip worth it.

Feb. 7, 2022, 4:41 p.m.
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Yes! I had the same experience driving over there to pick up some IGUS bushings, instead of waiting to order them and get them in the mail. Great people and they kept in touch with phone calls to check the parts were there, I got to drool over the second Ti Tyaughton that was ever made, hung out and played with the dog as well. It's so remarkably lucky to have something like that available.
Coils back and forth on a fugitive LT in slack mode and I'm laughing all the way. I don't time myself or anything on my rides but I haven't had a climb where the bike is holding me back; fitness and general desk work is far more detrimental than the weight.

Feb. 11, 2022, 9:28 a.m.
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https://nsmb.com/photos/user/11463/

We Are One Arrival. Have since put my Zeb on, love this bike!

Feb. 11, 2022, 9:58 a.m.
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Beautiful. Did you set the Zeb at 160 or did you over fork?

Feb. 11, 2022, 10:01 a.m.
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Posted by: rnayel

Beautiful. Did you set the Zeb at 160 or did you over fork?

170. The Zeb axle to crown for the 170 is like 35ish mm more than a 160 Fox. I'm 6'4" and find it fits me awesome. Also FWIW I weighed it at 34 pounds 1ounce with the Zeb and Michelin Wild Enduro tires. Fox 36 would be in the mid 33s I reckon. Not bad for an XL.


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