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NSMB - 2020 - Hardtail Thread

Sept. 11, 2020, 4:19 p.m.
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Posted by: Ddean

If I didnt end up with my 29+ forward geo Naked, I was getting an Arcturian. Big rubber on big wheels on a steel hardtail with modern geo, so much to love.

That combo has surprised me a lot over the 4 months Ive had it. On the undulating, back and forth, techy jank that I love to ride - its awesome. Massive grip with 14 psi and cushcore. Great feedback through the pedals. My Naked has made me a better rider - Im working the bike A LOT more. On the bars much more. Banking the bike more. The hardtail has made my stance much more active and dynamic. After riding it 90% of the time this summer I find myself with a mechanical keeping the hardtail in the garage for a bit, so the Slayer is back out in full force. MY GOD.

Once I got settled riding the hardtail it would consistently surprise me with its abilities. I was shocked at how well it shredded janky stuff.

Turns out it wasnt the bike as much as I thought it was; it was how the hardtail forced me to ride.

It sure is nice to have two awesome and different bikes. Moreso than how cool and awesome it is in itself, one of the things I like most about my Naked is that it has forced me to become a better rider. Its about more than choosing better lines - for me it has forced me to have a more dynamic stance and be more active on the bars.

You perfectly describe how to feels to ride a good hardtail. This also makes me miss mine terribly.

I moved to a big dumb enduro bike this summer (Kona Process 153) and while it's totally amazing, I sure do see the difference in how I ride now vs. how I rode before on my steel steed.

Sept. 12, 2020, 7:12 a.m.
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Joined: Jan. 22, 2019

Posted by: craw

Posted by: thaaad

You guys should check out the fuckyeahhardtail Instagram account if you're in to that. 

https://instagram.com/fuckyeahhardtail?igshid=nf771mebrl5

That's a cool account. Funny there's one in there running a Trust fork. Wasn't the one specific thing testers all agreed on was that the Trust was not good at slappy landings?

Can verify that the Trust Message is not good at slappy landings but I don't think it is a problem really as you can control flat landings to feel less harsh at the front usually.  

The main problem with the fork imo is that it excels on smooth flow trails and jumps (it makes a surprisingly good jump fork), but on those trails, you don't really need suspension at all!  On rough janky stuff, it's not good.  

I've just ordered a new coil fork to replace the Message as I realise how much I miss the comfort up front and ability to ride the fork occasionally over rough bits.  The Message will hang on my wall as a piece of mtb history.  It may be put on another bike in the future though as it does suit a hardtail frame well.  I'd never bother putting it on a sus frame.

Sept. 14, 2020, 8:48 a.m.
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Joined: Jan. 31, 2005

Posted by: Tremeer023

Posted by: craw

Posted by: thaaad

You guys should check out the fuckyeahhardtail Instagram account if you're in to that. 

https://instagram.com/fuckyeahhardtail?igshid=nf771mebrl5

That's a cool account. Funny there's one in there running a Trust fork. Wasn't the one specific thing testers all agreed on was that the Trust was not good at slappy landings?

Can verify that the Trust Message is not good at slappy landings but I don't think it is a problem really as you can control flat landings to feel less harsh at the front usually.  

The main problem with the fork imo is that it excels on smooth flow trails and jumps (it makes a surprisingly good jump fork), but on those trails, you don't really need suspension at all!  On rough janky stuff, it's not good.  

I've just ordered a new coil fork to replace the Message as I realise how much I miss the comfort up front and ability to ride the fork occasionally over rough bits.  The Message will hang on my wall as a piece of mtb history.  It may be put on another bike in the future though as it does suit a hardtail frame well.  I'd never bother putting it on a sus frame.

Which coil fork did you order and why? I've got a new FS frame on the way and I'm trying to decide what fork should go where.  My 160 Helm 29 air is amazing. Maybe I should get a coil Helm to go with? Reviews of the Helm coil all mention how linear it is, while reviews of the new coil Z1 don't.

Sept. 14, 2020, 11:25 a.m.
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Posted by: craw
Which coil fork did you order and why? I've got a new FS frame on the way and I'm trying to decide what fork should go where.  My 160 Helm 29 air is amazing. Maybe I should get a coil Helm to go with? Reviews of the Helm coil all mention how linear it is, while reviews of the new coil Z1 don't.

Which travel numbers are you wanting to hit? Is coil 100% choice?

Sept. 14, 2020, 12:07 p.m.
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Joined: Jan. 31, 2005

Posted by: Endur-Bro

Posted by: craw
Which coil fork did you order and why? I've got a new FS frame on the way and I'm trying to decide what fork should go where.  My 160 Helm 29 air is amazing. Maybe I should get a coil Helm to go with? Reviews of the Helm coil all mention how linear it is, while reviews of the new coil Z1 don't.

Which travel numbers are you wanting to hit? Is coil 100% choice?

I'm not set on a coil fork. Coil for the bike for sure. But for the fork so far air has served me well. 160 adjustable to 170 ideally.

Sept. 14, 2020, 3:58 p.m.
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I've got a coil Marzocchi 380 you can put on that bad boy.


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Sept. 15, 2020, 2:10 a.m.
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Joined: Jan. 22, 2019

Posted by: craw

Posted by: Tremeer023

Posted by: craw

Which coil fork did you order and why? I've got a new FS frame on the way and I'm trying to decide what fork should go where. My 160 Helm 29 air is amazing. Maybe I should get a coil Helm to go with? Reviews of the Helm coil all mention how linear it is, while reviews of the new coil Z1 don't.

I've ordered a Marzocchi Z1 coil partly due to cost, and because I had a load of them back in the 2000's so there's a bit of nostalgic value. I nearly went for the Ohlins rxf but not convinced it's worth the the price difference from the Marzocchi. The MRP Ribbon looks good too but I wanted 36mm stanchions (purely for vanity/aesthetic purposes).  I can live with the extra weight.


 Last edited by: Tremeer023 on Sept. 15, 2020, 2:12 a.m., edited 1 time in total.
Sept. 16, 2020, 7:43 a.m.
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Posted by: gdharries

This also makes me miss mine terribly.

A steel HT is the perfect excuse for a 2nd/backup/spare/guest bike.

Sept. 16, 2020, 3:09 p.m.
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Joined: March 8, 2017

Checking in and stoked to see the bike updates here.  Sweet new Cotic, Vik, and that Arcturian looks awesome and no lack of attention on that beast I reckon. :)  I'm sidelined for a bit with a fractured metacarpal (hand), bummer as this is prime riding season when we're getting the first rains on the dry summer trails..  Good opportunity to take the bike apart, service forks, brakes, etc, and throw the winter tires on.  Should be back in action mid-October, keep 'em coming all!

Sept. 16, 2020, 4:57 p.m.
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Joined: Jan. 31, 2005

Posted by: Vikb

Posted by: gdharries

This also makes me miss mine terribly.

A steel HT is the perfect excuse for a 2nd/backup/spare/guest bike.

If you REALLY loved yourself, er, your guests, you'd have a spare bike in ti. The law of hospitality or something. Wait was that Game of Thrones?

Sept. 16, 2020, 5:05 p.m.
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Joined: Sept. 30, 2010

Posted by: Vikb

Posted by: gdharries

This also makes me miss mine terribly.

A steel HT is the perfect excuse for a 2nd/backup/spare/guest bike.

Strangely, the guest/spare steel ht ended up as my primary bike...

Sept. 16, 2020, 8:57 p.m.
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Posted by: Vikb

Posted by: gdharries

This also makes me miss mine terribly.

A steel HT is the perfect excuse for a 2nd/backup/spare/guest bike.

Yeah totally. Having a second bike saves me a few weeks of dead space every year. It also gives you time to sort stuff out more economically than if you need a broken bike working again ASAP.

Sept. 16, 2020, 9:13 p.m.
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