Not sure what I think of this new trend. Supper slack, low and long front end is good for going down but (I'm speculating here as I never tried one) not so pleasant on the way up. And that's kind of missing the point of a hardtail imo.
and what exactly is the point of a hardtail?
Just a speculative fiction. No cause for alarm.
Not sure what I think of this new trend. Supper slack, low and long front end is good for going down but (I'm speculating here as I never tried one) not so pleasant on the way up. And that's kind of missing the point of a hardtail imo.
It generally sucks for technical climbing but is better for descending.
To me a hardtail is a simple mountainbike that you just grab and go for a ride. Simple times, easy, the bike you grab when you don't know what trail you want to ride. That's just me tho.
It generally sucks for technical climbing but is better for descending.
If I want a bike that's better for descending I grab a fs.
Not sure what I think of this new trend. Supper slack, low and long front end is good for going down but (I'm speculating here as I never tried one) not so pleasant on the way up. And that's kind of missing the point of a hardtail imo.
When I was trying to the figure out the geometry of the frame that I commissioned (which I guess predates the current long / slack trend a bit) I couldn't decide on chainstay length so went with sliding dropouts. A bit of a relief really as 16.5" stays did tend to make the front end a bit light and vague on steep climbs with a 150mm travel fork. Pulling the rear end out 1/2" makes the bike much more planted on the climbs but hasn't effected the 'playfulness' of the bike at all. I know wonder why companies are going for the shortest stays when the front wheel is almost in another time zone. Gotta balance everything out. Shit I'm turning into JCL ;)
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When I was trying to the figure out the geometry of the frame that I commissioned (which I guess predates the current long / slack trend a bit) I couldn't decide on chainstay length so went with sliding dropouts. A bit of a relief really as 16.5" stays did tend to make the front end a bit light and vague on steep climbs with a 150mm travel fork. Pulling the rear end out 1/2" makes the bike much more planted on the climbs but hasn't effected the 'playfulness' of the bike at all. I know wonder why companies are going for the shortest stays when the front wheel is almost in another time zone. Gotta balance everything out. Shit I'm turning into JCL ;)
I think a lot of the short stay thing is marketing. DH bikes are longest lowest and slackest bikes going and they seem to turn tight corners just fine. Sure shorter stays make a difference but not that much. Particularly bad for taller riders as the higher saddle height puts their butts even further back. In my view using a steep seat tube angle to compensate for stupid short chain stays is dumb.
Debate? Bikes are made for riding not pushing.
I asked some questions regarding HT geometry on this thread earlier and got some really good answers and insight.
Since then I test rode some hardtails and could confirm and get a feel for some of this.
I'll order a custom HT frame this week and know pretty much what I want, except I am a bit unsure about my desired BB height.
It'll be a 650b since I have a 650b Pike and a nice wheel set kicking around.
I want it to be 66deg HA with a 140mm Pike unsagged. 452mm reach, 120mm headtube, 420mm chainstays, 470mm seat tube 74deg seat angle.
What do you guys think would a reasonable BB height be?
I'll use the bike for perfecting/practicing my riding skills, the manual, bunny hopping and some trials moves, casual trail riding on mellower trails, getting to the pump track and riding there.
I do have s nice Carbon enduro FS which I love for the high speed gnar trails. I don't need the hardtail for that or for the big mountains.
I want it to be a fun rather than a "fast" bike.
The 450mm reach is pretty short for me, I have monkey arms. My FS is 18mm longer and feels spot on with a 30mm stem. I'd go to a 40mm stem on the HT.
320mm? Too high?
310mm?
As low as you possibly feel comfortable IMO. Don't have to worry about big changes in bb height as this is a ht, so pedal strikes really are a non issue IMO. I get more pedal strikes on my fully with a higher bb than my ht
Just finished building up my new single speed fat bike.
Now THAT'S a hardtail BIKE! Bonus points for the axle tug, nice work son!
The Chromag on holiday high in the French Alps near Tignes.
2016-07-31_07-36-03 by Dan and Claire Lees, on Flickr
2016-07-31_07-39-04 by Dan and Claire Lees, on Flickr
It did not suck.
Mistress V2 visiting the shore….
Nice top tube pad.
Debate? Bikes are made for riding not pushing.
Nice top tube pad.
Gift from an old ski team mate to replace the one jacked.
Gift from an old ski team mate to replace the one jacked.
It was mine.
Debate? Bikes are made for riding not pushing.
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