long travel wagon wheelers

Like the #'s on this. Come as short travel too.

https://reebcycles.com/sqweeb-v3-suspension-tech/

Oh I love a raw finish alloy frame!! Nice looking bike.

Posted by: craw

I won't ever buy another Pole but thanks for thinking of me. I have a Geometron in the mail so we'll see how that goes. I think there's more to pedigree, impeccable manufacturing and the slacker HTA+reduced offset than the machining innovations from Pole. I'll let someone else guinea pig that $5000 frame.

have you seen the shit storm taking place over on PB in regards to their test on the Pole Stamina and a failure due to a wrong shipped part and their reply over the whole thing? any similarity to your experience?

https://www.cube.eu/media_ftp/BIKE_Bilder_2020/356200/356200_light_zoom.jpg

really digging this one.

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: craw

I won't ever buy another Pole but thanks for thinking of me. I have a Geometron in the mail so we'll see how that goes. I think there's more to pedigree, impeccable manufacturing and the slacker HTA+reduced offset than the machining innovations from Pole. I'll let someone else guinea pig that $5000 frame.

have you seen the shit storm taking place over on PB in regards to their test on the Pole Stamina and a failure due to a wrong shipped part and their reply over the whole thing? any similarity to your experience?

Yes and yes. The Geometron arrived and Is really good though I kind of wish I'd bucked up for the G1 for those minor geometry tweaks. I'm relieved to never have to deal with Pole again.

Heres my Pole story:

So I buy an Evolink 140. Love the bike, sure it's not super fancy but the geo is bang on. Ride it for a while and when I go to service the shock, I notice the forward eyelets wont line up upon reinstall. The 2 triangular tabs that are hanging from the top tube to mount the shock to are bent to the left. So I post up on the Facebook page asking if anyone else's is like this or if its bent. People reply saying theirs is straight, ok fine start the warranty process. I send pics to Pole (after I delete the Facebook thread because I'm not out to shame any brand) and get told I bottomed out hard. I disagree and say it's a weak spot etc. Back and forth this goes for a while. Meanwhile I get 2 other guys in the S2S who also have the same bike to check theirs, sure enough bent the exact same way so clearly a design flaw. I forward these pics to Pole to build my case and they still disagree and make me ship my frame back to them for inspection. Now considering Pole was all high and mighty about not using carbon because of the environment, it seems funny to burn all of that fuel to ship a wrecked a frame to Finland, but anyway. They eventually crash replaced my frame with a 158 frame and EXT shock which still cost me $1500 on top of the $300 to ship my bent one back. I'm still riding the bike but I think I've cracked the rear triangle, which I wont bother getting a warranty for. Probably end up selling the shock or reconfiguring it for whatever bike I get next but it wont be a Pole. 

The real shame is that the actual bikes work really well. I'm totally at home on mine and honestly cant imagine any bike being better but the time will eventually come to move on. I feel like if Pole just stuck with the Evolink and tried to constantly improve it with better hardware, cleaner lines or whatever it would have done them wonders, as well as far better service. The problem is Leo's arrogance that his bikes can't possibly be flawed and just lays blame to everyone around him. His arrogance is what stemmed the CNC bikes and now hes paying for it.

Posted by: T-mack

Heres my Pole story:

So I buy an Evolink 140. Love the bike, sure it's not super fancy but the geo is bang on. Ride it for a while and when I go to service the shock, I notice the forward eyelets wont line up upon reinstall. The 2 triangular tabs that are hanging from the top tube to mount the shock to are bent to the left. So I post up on the Facebook page asking if anyone else's is like this or if its bent. People reply saying theirs is straight, ok fine start the warranty process. I send pics to Pole (after I delete the Facebook thread because I'm not out to shame any brand) and get told I bottomed out hard. I disagree and say it's a weak spot etc. Back and forth this goes for a while. Meanwhile I get 2 other guys in the S2S who also have the same bike to check theirs, sure enough bent the exact same way so clearly a design flaw. I forward these pics to Pole to build my case and they still disagree and make me ship my frame back to them for inspection. Now considering Pole was all high and mighty about not using carbon because of the environment, it seems funny to burn all of that fuel to ship a wrecked a frame to Finland, but anyway. They eventually crash replaced my frame with a 158 frame and EXT shock which still cost me $1500 on top of the $300 to ship my bent one back. I'm still riding the bike but I think I've cracked the rear triangle, which I wont bother getting a warranty for. Probably end up selling the shock or reconfiguring it for whatever bike I get next but it wont be a Pole.

The real shame is that the actual bikes work really well. I'm totally at home on mine and honestly cant imagine any bike being better but the time will eventually come to move on. I feel like if Pole just stuck with the Evolink and tried to constantly improve it with better hardware, cleaner lines or whatever it would have done them wonders, as well as far better service. The problem is Leo's arrogance that his bikes can't possibly be flawed and just lays blame to everyone around him. His arrogance is what stemmed the CNC bikes and now hes paying for it.

I got a taste of this when my Evolink was just a few week old and I had killed my Monarch for the third time. "Excessive side loading of the shock's Internal and external parts" Is what Fluid Function said. The Evolink frame flexes a lot and when you look at how the rear end is constructed It's not surprising; It's put together like a bike from 2002. I was hoping the Evolink would be the test case that proved the value of the Machine, to which I would eventually upgrade. Expecting the Evolink to be a little more raw and less refined, but indicative of the quality I could expect. Well I guess that turned out to be true.

I could see the writing on the wall and proceeded to get the shock rebuilt and sold the bike while It looked new. It sounds like my fears weren't unfounded.

think they'll turn it around and survive like Evil or end up dying off?

Posted by: craw

Posted by: T-mack

Heres my Pole story:

So I buy an Evolink 140. Love the bike, sure it's not super fancy but the geo is bang on. Ride it for a while and when I go to service the shock, I notice the forward eyelets wont line up upon reinstall. The 2 triangular tabs that are hanging from the top tube to mount the shock to are bent to the left. So I post up on the Facebook page asking if anyone else's is like this or if its bent. People reply saying theirs is straight, ok fine start the warranty process. I send pics to Pole (after I delete the Facebook thread because I'm not out to shame any brand) and get told I bottomed out hard. I disagree and say it's a weak spot etc. Back and forth this goes for a while. Meanwhile I get 2 other guys in the S2S who also have the same bike to check theirs, sure enough bent the exact same way so clearly a design flaw. I forward these pics to Pole to build my case and they still disagree and make me ship my frame back to them for inspection. Now considering Pole was all high and mighty about not using carbon because of the environment, it seems funny to burn all of that fuel to ship a wrecked a frame to Finland, but anyway. They eventually crash replaced my frame with a 158 frame and EXT shock which still cost me $1500 on top of the $300 to ship my bent one back. I'm still riding the bike but I think I've cracked the rear triangle, which I wont bother getting a warranty for. Probably end up selling the shock or reconfiguring it for whatever bike I get next but it wont be a Pole.

The real shame is that the actual bikes work really well. I'm totally at home on mine and honestly cant imagine any bike being better but the time will eventually come to move on. I feel like if Pole just stuck with the Evolink and tried to constantly improve it with better hardware, cleaner lines or whatever it would have done them wonders, as well as far better service. The problem is Leo's arrogance that his bikes can't possibly be flawed and just lays blame to everyone around him. His arrogance is what stemmed the CNC bikes and now hes paying for it.

I got a taste of this when my Evolink was just a few week old and I had killed my Monarch for the third time. "Excessive side loading of the shock's Internal and external parts" Is what Fluid Function said. The Evolink frame flexes a lot and when you look at how the rear end is constructed It's not surprising; It's put together like a bike from 2002. I was hoping the Evolink would be the test case that proved the value of the Machine, to which I would eventually upgrade. Expecting the Evolink to be a little more raw and less refined, but indicative of the quality I could expect. Well I guess that turned out to be true.

I could see the writing on the wall and proceeded to get the shock rebuilt and sold the bike while It looked new. It sounds like my fears weren't unfounded.

Do you sell used cars to?

I'm gonna need some popcorn over here.

Posted by: craw

Posted by: T-mack

Heres my Pole story:

So I buy an Evolink 140. Love the bike, sure it's not super fancy but the geo is bang on. Ride it for a while and when I go to service the shock, I notice the forward eyelets wont line up upon reinstall. The 2 triangular tabs that are hanging from the top tube to mount the shock to are bent to the left. So I post up on the Facebook page asking if anyone else's is like this or if its bent. People reply saying theirs is straight, ok fine start the warranty process. I send pics to Pole (after I delete the Facebook thread because I'm not out to shame any brand) and get told I bottomed out hard. I disagree and say it's a weak spot etc. Back and forth this goes for a while. Meanwhile I get 2 other guys in the S2S who also have the same bike to check theirs, sure enough bent the exact same way so clearly a design flaw. I forward these pics to Pole to build my case and they still disagree and make me ship my frame back to them for inspection. Now considering Pole was all high and mighty about not using carbon because of the environment, it seems funny to burn all of that fuel to ship a wrecked a frame to Finland, but anyway. They eventually crash replaced my frame with a 158 frame and EXT shock which still cost me $1500 on top of the $300 to ship my bent one back. I'm still riding the bike but I think I've cracked the rear triangle, which I wont bother getting a warranty for. Probably end up selling the shock or reconfiguring it for whatever bike I get next but it wont be a Pole.

The real shame is that the actual bikes work really well. I'm totally at home on mine and honestly cant imagine any bike being better but the time will eventually come to move on. I feel like if Pole just stuck with the Evolink and tried to constantly improve it with better hardware, cleaner lines or whatever it would have done them wonders, as well as far better service. The problem is Leo's arrogance that his bikes can't possibly be flawed and just lays blame to everyone around him. His arrogance is what stemmed the CNC bikes and now hes paying for it.

I got a taste of this when my Evolink was just a few week old and I had killed my Monarch for the third time. "Excessive side loading of the shock's Internal and external parts" Is what Fluid Function said. The Evolink frame flexes a lot and when you look at how the rear end is constructed It's not surprising; It's put together like a bike from 2002. I was hoping the Evolink would be the test case that proved the value of the Machine, to which I would eventually upgrade. Expecting the Evolink to be a little more raw and less refined, but indicative of the quality I could expect. Well I guess that turned out to be true.

I could see the writing on the wall and proceeded to get the shock rebuilt and sold the bike while It looked new. It sounds like my fears weren't unfounded.

My 158 is definitely not flexy, my classic 'put the pedal at 6oclock and push down' test shows its stiff so not sure what changed. What happened with my 140 is that when it bottomed out, that energy had nowhere to go so it bent the mount in the easiest direction it would give. I haven't had that particular issue with this bike which I suspect is because of the hydro bottom out of the shock which is really just a bandaid imo.

Leo is an Industrial Designer and not an actual engineer... this is the main problem but another one is his arrogance. People will still buy but good news is that the main players are getting to the good geo that Pole and Geometron has.

Posted by: LoamtoHome

Leo is an Industrial Designer and not an actual engineer... this is the main problem but another one is his arrogance. People will still buy but good news is that the main players are getting to the good geo that Pole and Geometron has.

I think I'm the only one that's actually noticed but the actual suspension design is a ripoff of the Canfield design.

Posted by: T-mack

Posted by: LoamtoHome

Leo is an Industrial Designer and not an actual engineer... this is the main problem but another one is his arrogance. People will still buy but good news is that the main players are getting to the good geo that Pole and Geometron has.

I think I'm the only one that's actually noticed but the actual suspension design is a ripoff of the Canfield design.

Canfields don't pivot around the BB.